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Episode 194 - How To Do Drugs (w/ Dr. Carl Hart) (Patreon)

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This week, Briahna speaks to psychologist, neuroscientist, & Columbia professor Dr. Carl Hart about drugs. The author of Drug Use for Grown-Ups, Dr. Hart explains what everyone gets wrong about drugs and addiction, makes a powerful argument for decriminalization, advises Briahna on what drugs she should try first, weighs in on WNBA player Brittney Griner's imprisonment in Russia for drug charges, & offers his take on Euphoria. Stick through until the end, where he also has some thoughts on the epidemic of cop fentanyl "overdoses."

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Anonymous

Powerful episode. I recently had a mental health crisis that led to a family intervention for which the focus was my weed consumption and I strongly believe that to be a red herring and completely missing the issue at hand.

Anonymous

Bri - you gotta free yourself from the idea that getting second burger is bad :)

Sarah Jarrett

Girl same. Loved this show. I do struggle with this conversation as a nurse though. Text books I learned from always minimized drug addiction and opiates and that never correlated with what I saw in hospitals. So. Much. Addiction and med seeking. I'm always a little weary of conversations minimizing addiction because of all the damage prior ones have done. Loved his thought process, just feeling cautious.

Anonymous

Wow, i don't think i have ever heard a guest on bad faith that i have both agreed and disagreed with so strongly before... All the stuff about the need for decriminilization, the negative and shitty effects of stigmatizing drugs and drug users and the connections with peoples' social status and material needs i am totally on board with. But to put heroin in the same league as shrooms? I have not lost any friends to psychedelics (well, not permanently, anyway). Cant say the same for heroin.

Anonymous

Also....someone has never even so much as taken a puff off a joint before and dude's recommendation is to try MDMA!?! jesus christ....

Anonymous
>>88077331

All things being equal on paper- yea MDMA would be an incredible first experience especially in the manner he recommended. Granted, if you’ve never smoked then you probably don’t have the connections in order to acquire it, you don’t know the dosage amount, and you likely aren’t testing the purity. So in practice it’s probably best just to smoke a bit or have some edibles, something that’s likely more controlled and more available.

lin hou

Bri I'm 52 & have never done drugs, not even smoked pot, so you're not the oldest living drug virgin. Won't be doing it either because I have a job where I can be drug tested & I'm not chancing a well paying job on smoking weed. I consider doing mushrooms or psychedelics on occasion because the experience sounds good but am not in a place in my life it's feasible. I don't know that I would actually do it if it was feasible either so there's that.

Anonymous

So fun to have dr Hart on BF. I am a big fan of his contributions to the drug usage of non-addicts and the politics and social implications of all things drugs. Alcohol is a drug. I’m 24 years sober from heroin and all drugs and alcohol. I worked as an addiction Therpist for 20 years. I look forward to Dr Hart getting serious about the transition, for some, from recreational use to addiction, and attention to lifelong addicts whose experience defies the sociopolitical causation story. Keep it up Ms Gray.

Anonymous

I just got Semi-Charmed Life out of my head after it being stuck there for a week and now Brie goes and does this.

carl

bri will finally smoke weed and in her next vid she'll be in a poncho, listening to moe.

Anonymous

Great to hear from Dr Carl Hart as always. Thanks Brie for having him on. Aside from your podcast, I pretty much exclusively spend my free time in the drug discourse, so I was wondering for a long time if that was something you'd be interested in. One thing about Dr Hart though is that he really only emphasizes the benefits that people can get from drugs-- which on the one hand is vital to the conversation, especially in American culture where drugs are viciously demonized-- but on the other hand, is not always the most persuasive argument to someone who is primarily concerned with addiction and overdose (two separate issues, btw). My guess is that most people on the fence about drugs are all for maximizing liberty and happiness for people who use drugs without issue, but still wary about the risks for people whose relationship to drugs is not as healthy. It's possible that no amount of talk about the positives of drugs will mitigate someone's internalized fears of overdose and addiction, and more of a harm reduction approach is needed. I got this sense from some of the Callin listeners as well. Brie-- I don't know if you read these comments, but if you are interested to talk to someone with more of a harm reduction background, who can go really in depth on the research about the best ways to prevent overdose and treat addiction, I highly recommend Dr Maia Szalavitz. She will be the first to agree with Dr Hart's claims about the benefits of drugs-- so none of what she says will be incompatible with what we heard in this episode-- but she puts a greater emphasis on policies and personal practices that help make drugs safer to use, and addiction more treatable. She is incredibly well researched, persuasive, and also has personally had a substance use disorder. She's written a book that totally changed the way I conceptualize addiction, and her most recent book is a history of harm reduction which I haven't yet had the pleasure to read. Dr Szalavitz is an academic, but more on the activist side you might consider Garth Mullins (drug user activist in BC, host of the Crackdown podcast) or Kassandra Frederique (of Drug Policy Alliance).

Colin Clark

Maia szalavitz is a pharma shill who went out of her way to get reporters who exposed Purdue fired from their jobs. Saying.

Sifl

Dr. Hart is spot on when he talks about the need to look at the desperation and despair in communities of color causing addiction and to stop the criminalization of that addiction. But then he talks about how is drug use is good because it provides him a work life balance and helps him be a better person. Yet, in doing so, he simply presumes that his own drug use is free of any of the stressors that cause many others to turn to drugs. That then begs the question of how do you know when someone is using drugs in a healthy way versus someone who is using drugs in a destructive way?