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Episode 207 - Inside/Outside Game (w/ Krystal Ball) (Patreon)

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Breaking Points & Kyle Krystal & Friends co-host Krystal Ball joins Bad Faith to talk 2024 horse race, the future of the Breaking Points media empire, and accusations that hosting a show with a conservative formalizing a type of "red-brown" alliance that hurts the left. The pair wrestle with questions Briahna has discussed at length on Callin: how does one expand the left audience into non-left spaces without throwing vulnerable constituents or important left issues under the bus? What is that personal line? How does one maintain a moral litmus test without it turning into an unhelpful purity test? Also, can the left get behind a candidate like Marianne Williamson in 2024? Or is the left fundamentally divided on the question of whether to support progressives running on the Democratic Party ticket. Also, the pair debate whether Biden will run for reelection at all. What do you think?

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

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Comments

Jacob

Any time the topic of third parties come up here I think about how my state forces you to select Dem, rep, or independent (non-partisan) ballots. They force you into picking one of the parties or basically just voting on judges. Third parties will not be successful until there's a ranked choice system nationwide. I wish there was a way to vote for just anyone, but a lot of states intentionally rig against that for obvious reasons.

Anonymous

UM.. I vote for Briahna, Krystal, Katie H, & Kim I in an online version of the view!

Anonymous

The moment is ripe for a third-party challenger, and Democratic Party loyalists are entirely aware of this, which is why Ball, Sirota, and Grim dismiss third parties. I appreciate Breaking Points for moving people to the left, but BP and Krystal aren't Left. I'm sorry. As another commenter pointed out, not taking a firm, unequivocal stance against imperialism and militarism negates any and all claims of being on the Left.

Anonymous

I appreciated the bit about how dismissive Team Red and Team Blue are of each other, assuming that The Others are all bad people. With Big Media manufacturing consent 24/7, it's understandable that people rely on a Red vs. Blue worldview to make sense of things. That said, overcoming the binary mindset requires determining for yourself whether or not someone's full of shit.

Anonymous

Breaking Points is a rightwing show with one left perspective (Krystal's). Nobody asked for it to be a show for an exclusively lefty audience, but it's *not at all* balanced like Rising.

Anonymous

Still like Krystal but she’s wrong about third parties. Why do you think the Gore campaign let Bush steal the election and immediately pointed left. It’s because if the Greens kept building steam after that election we’d be a completely different country. If Marie Anne runs I’ll vote in the Dem primary but if she doesn’t win I’m voting Green. Someone needs to demonstrate there’s a left voting pool and nobody will know if you just don’t vote or vote Dem for bogus electability issues.

Toby
>>91041831

What sort of stand against imperialism are you looking for? BP spends a lot of time quixotically fighting military spending, and I don’t see anyone else consistently banging that drum like they do. Who would you point to in media that gives an unequivocal stance against militarism? If it doesn’t exist, why hold BP to that standard?

Anonymous
>>91041831

It’s quixotic because they rhetorically “fight military spending” sometimes, while banging war drums. Hold BP to that standard so that one day it may exist. Why not hold them to a standard? Seems like the only reason to not hold them to a higher standard is to keep things the way they are. If we can’t hold them to a standard just because the standard doesn’t already exist elsewhere, then it will never exist.

Anonymous
>>91041831

The Revolutionary Blackout network, for one, unequivocally holds that stance. Check ‘em out, if you haven’t.

Anonymous
>>91041831

@Toby Chris Hedges, RBN, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, The Grayzone's Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal, Antiwar.com, Scheerpost, Counterpunch, Consortium News, and Tom Dispatch just to name a few. I think Glenn might be the only person from that list who has appeared on BP, and he likely wasn't brought on to discuss imperialism. Being anti-war, anti-imperialism, and anti-militarism seems to be the only third-rail left in US politics anymore. While calling out wasteful military spending is a step in the right direction, it isn't the same as being anti-imperialism or anti-militarism. All you're saying is that you're perfectly fine with the murder machine as long as its costs are low.

Rentaro Matsukata

I stopped paying for and watching BP once their labor coverage got replaced by the stock market and Russia-Ukraine. I don't hate them but they have some serious blind spots

Anonymous
>>91058463

I noticed that shift as well. They do feature Real News on their mini-shows and that often means Max Alvarez. Perhaps that is why they shifted their coverage?! Whatever the case, to me, it seems the “activist” “change agent” vibe has been subsumed by professional pundit. I respect and appreciate both Saagar and Krystal very much. My critique is not personal. Solid citizens each.

Anonymous
>>91037924

thank you!! The best case is to disrupt the duopoly by infiltration.

Stephen David Miller

I hate to fall prey to the “electability” trap, because I genuinely do like Marianne Williamson. But does anyone seriously believe she would stand a chance at Bernie-esque results in a Democratic primary? The media has a thousand clips to draw on to paint her as being the “hippie dippie” candidate, as virtually every talking head did in 2020. Republicans are too entrenched in evangelical Christianity to see any other form of spirituality as a bonus, and liberals are too self conscious of seeming “idealistic” or “unserious” to play ball. I hope I’m wrong, because she is great (and I imagine more than a little bit of sexism is at play in the way the media maligns her). But third party seems like the only lane where she would throw enough weight to push an eventual nominee leftward.

Cclear

Marianne Williamson got on the debate stage and said we shouldn't push for Medicare for all because it will have a backlash. If that's what she said when she had absolutely no chance of winning, then what else would she "compromise" on if she actually got close to power? That comment was a bigger problem for me than the Afghanistan one.

Eric Smith

It is ~~~~~insane~~~~~ to me that anyone is seriously considering Marianne for anything beyond scented candle recommendations. She's written some books. Good for her. I'm sure shes a great author. But how does that translate to getting people healthcare? How can she navigate the complicated world of politics when she's never worked on any kind of political initiative???? And it has nothing to do with "how she presents" or that she's a woman. I don't want George RR Martin to be President either.

MYK’L ROCKS

Ball needs to step up pushing back on Saagar who has basically hijacked the BP show to cater to his base. His coverage of Covid was a disaster. There can literally be little difference between MSM + ‘Independent Media’. They just took out the middle man. Too often BP pushes content to for clicks because clicks is $.