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This week Briahna sppeaks to DNC member, senior advisor to Jesse Jackson, & founder of the Arab American Institute James Zogby about the DNC's latest betrayal: Their failure to even debate a resolution, introduced by Dr. Zogby, to get dark money out of Democratic Party primaries. After seeing how hostile the Democratic Party is to progressives from Jesse Jackson to Summer Lee, does Zogby still see the Democratic Party as a party in which progressives can effect change? Briahna asked him about the structure of the DNC, whether he'd support the "dirty break" strategy, and what it would've looked like if Bernie went 3rd party in 2016.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

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Jon

One theme that emerges when Dr. Zogby discusses the dnc is that politicians—even principled ones—will do whatever it takes to keep their positions, some because they’re power hungry and others because they’ve convinced themselves they’re better than the alternatives (when really they’re just terrified of losing the security that comes with their positions). Everyone on the left seems to understand these incentives and is quick to point them out when discussing the Democratic Party. But when discussing a dirty break, we suddenly pretend like politicians are going to buck the trend and fall on the sword for the good of everyone. That’s not a plan. It’s just wishful thinking. I get that things take time to work out, but it’s striking to me how attuned to political psychology we are in analyzing why dems do things, and then a lefty electoral plan just seems to ignore those considerations

Anonymous

Double checking: what time is DeBRIEf today, THANKS!!!

Rentaro Matsukata

Very illuminating. I hope to see this guy again to see if they actually get wins. These party members clearly don't feel the urgency that their constituents do. Glad bre pushed him

Anonymous

I feel bad for Dr. Zogby . It can't be easy. To be at it this long and have very little to show for it. I'm in the dirty brake camp and I think Nina should do it. At this point their isn't much you can say to get me to involve my self in with the Dems. I'm not even planing to vote this year since what the point. And most of the races on my ballot are uncontested anyway, its basically a wast of time.

Anonymous

When you hear the Zogbys of the world, you realize he has lost for so long that he can't see what winning even looks like. Having a letter here, or a committee there, a presence in a room, or whatever is completely meaningless if it doesn’t affect policy in a tangible way beyond losing by a little less. The Democratic Party is corrupt and completely constructed to defeat the left and secure their power. If winning and maintaining their power is their only goal, any strategy that doesn’t threaten that for them is DOA. If you will ultimately vote for a corrupt party no matter what, then you will never win a thing from them.

Lee

Well said- death by a 1000 tiny pathetic “victories”.

Michael Martin

Gotta say, this guy sounds pretty pathetic. Fighting so hard just to get a debate that he knows they will lose anyway. Fuck the DNC man

Anonymous

All I can say about Dr. Zogby is Bless his heart…

Anonymous

What a loser. This guy is part of the problem.

Anonymous

The Squad have made “an enormous difference”? C’mon man. This chap is full of it.

Anonymous

I wasn't old enough to vote in 2016, but I voted Green Party in 2020. I'm sure as hell not voting D in 2022 & 2024. It's time to make the Dems fear the Left.

Anonymous

The Democrats sole purpose is to channel and neutralize the Left's energy and resources to keep us from making real change. The system works, let's stop supporting it. Panther Party