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This week, Briahna speaks to Paolo Gerbaudo, sociologist and political theorist based at King’s College London about newly elected Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. Is she part and parcel of a wave of right wing "fascists" that have been sweeping the globe, or is the "f word" an overreach in this case? Is her win a win for women everywhere, as Hillary Clintons suggested? Or is there good reason to be concerned about her "focus on the family" style speeches which highlight an alleged war on traditional values. What conditions on the ground lead to her rise to power, and what hope is there for Italy's left?

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Jonathan Kadmon

He actually covered quite a lot of ground for an episode that lasted under an hour. Touched on some of the same themes contained in this book which I appreciated and enjoyed: https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745337326/reclaiming-the-state/. I'll have to get myself a copy of Paolo's book as well if he explains things in writing as well as he does in this interview.

Nathan Ngumi

A great discussion! It is good for Bad Faith to occasionally check out what is going on in other parts of the world! It is unfortunate that the disunity of the Left in Italy was not discussed at length, given it is what primarily led to the right-wing coalition Giorgia Meloni's party is part of winning a parliamentary majority. I hope that there will be an episode on the election in Brazil which has seen right-wing President Bolsonaro ousted by left-wing challenger and former Pres Lula da Silva.

Anonymous

Wonder what Robbie and the other Genius Capitalists think of Paolo's analysis here. According to Robbie, Communism & Socialism are why people flee those countries, NOT Capitalist US sanctions. But it sounds like Neolib/Neocon policies of privatize everything, austerity and endless war are the actual reasons that Italy's people are suffering. Sounds like Capitalism leads to Neolib/NeoCon policies leads to poverty and extreme wealth. Sounds like Capitalism sucks and only consolidates wealth and power. Sounds like Capitalism and Fascism are a match made in Hell. Hmmm... what now, Robbie?

Anonymous

He would say “Well ackhually, it’s because we don’t have real true free markets and protectionism is the real problem” because libertarians are ideologically right wingers who think their opposition to the “bad” capitalism is not baked into the logic of capitalism to begin with. Them niggas don’t ever give a fuck lol.

Anonymous

That's why Libertarianism is attractive to white teen boys. They think it means no one can tell them what to do, economically and socially, and they will become kings of their own individual empires. As if their "Survival of the Fittest" idea works in our real world of sociopathic oligarchs. No one is starting from the same point. Robbie is a private school rich kid. His starting point was waaay further ahead of a poor kid who's growing up on lead-poisoned water in Flint... Chicago... Jackson... Baltimore... on and on. "Robbie" is the perfect label for a clueless Libertarian. Just like "Karen" describes a privileged white woman who's eternally calling the manager... or police.

Anonymous

Why is the episode titled as an or?

Anonymous

I hope the Callin' discussion will try to tackle what Fascism actually is tonight.

evie b

Where is the calling on, is it on Patreon, would like to join the conversation.

Drew McGill

It’s on an app called Callin. Her show is called DeBrief with Briahna Joy Gray