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Episode 217 - Trust the Science? (Patreon)

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After Briahna interviewed Dr. Vinay Prasad last month, some listeners -- along with tweeters from further afield -- recommended other COVID experts to offer a different view. This week, Briahna interviews one of those people: Dr. Justin Feldman, a social epidemiologist from Harvard's School of Public Health. She's also joined by Jamie Seltzer, Director of Scientific and Medical Research at #MeAction. I asked them about Prasad's central claim that advice around boosting requires more nuance as we learn more about the limitations of vaccines, how long COVID factors into policy planning, and what it even means these days to "trust science" now that the CDC has gotten so much wrong.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands)

Comments

Anonymous

We don't have clean drinking water in Flint, Jackson, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. But we are suppose to trust the FDA & CDC and their mercurial guidelines on covid. Our Govt is sending billions to Ukraine - to kill people and make War Profiteers richer. But we are suppose to believe that the Duopoly will do ANYTHING to fix regular tap water in our cities. Got it.

Anonymous

These two folks are true insiders. Exactly who we're all supposed to be listening to. Anyway, I'm glad Brie spoke with them. I always learn something from BF, agree or disagree.

Anonymous

I love hearing people without kids talk about kids. You know, im a white southern male from the suburbs but please subscribe to my substack where I talk about the issues facing inner city women of color. I am spending 18k on my daughters school because she is still behind developmentally ans another 3k on speech therapy to get her caught up and ready for school so spare me the whole “kids are resilient” bull shit. People say that because they don’t want to be accountable for the things they do to children.

Bells

I appreciate dr. Seltzers work on long covid but read the fuckin room lady. "Oh you must've missed my REALLY in depth article..." can the fucking smugness. We're all trying to figure this out together. You wanna talk about being clearer in your scientific studies, start with some empathy towards your allies.

Bells

That being said I would love to go further in depth on long covid, so doing another ep with her on the topic would be great. I just hope she isn't as rude next time

Colin Clark
>>93310118

God I'm sorry I hated her so much. She talks like it's never occurred to her that we live in a failed state. Just mind-blowing self delusion.

Anonymous
>>93307019

LOL are you insane? Look around buddy, Joe Biden and the White House are implementing the Great Barrington Declaration to a tee. They is no funding and no more Covid specific safety measures. No one is wearing a mask anymore. Thats your guy BIDEN! You should love him. Pushing back on his agenda, you see that as "true insiders". That would make Bidens crew outsiders. Clown

Anonymous

One aspect that seems to be missing in regards to the effect Covid regulations have on the disabled community is the very detrimental effect of at home learning on children with developmental disabilities. There are children who receive 90% of their services (speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy, etc) in a school setting. Honestly, this arrangement accounts for the large majority of working class children with developmental disabilities. I have personally witnessed the toll that lockdowns took on my son, who lost speech and basic skills (both personal and academic). It was brutal on him. Though this should be part of a larger discussion about how we (as a capitalist society) pathologically undervalue disabled people, I nonetheless want to point out that not every disabled persons quality of life is ameliorated by lockdowns and Covid restrictions.

Anonymous

Seltzer came off as smug. As if she’s in a world full of idiots who won’t listen to the truth she believes is glaring in everyone’s face but are too blind to see. That’s just the vibes I got. Feldmen less so just because he didn’t speak as much. However, there definitely is a good point here, about business interest and IF we had a more robust public health system (including M4A) that there would be a bit better outcomes. I appreciate you having on a variety of guests with different views on COVID though, I think it’s necessary for us to hear all of these opposing views. I never find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with one person/view on it.

Rentaro Matsukata

Would love to trust them, but I don't see them debunking the studies rather than discrediting the author and sponsor. In this entire conversation they didn't provide a single statistical argument against studies Prasad and Campbell read from directly. They're too used to living in an echo chamber. Maybe it's time to interview working families on the left instead of moneyed progressives

Anonymous
>>93307019

Unfortunately it’s now too late for Biden or anybody to follow the Great Barrington Declaration. Had we done so at the time we’d be better off now.

Anonymous
>>93307019

Hes been doing it since day 1. Thats because it was funded by rightwing libertarian billionaires, who also fund Biden. If you want more of this, by all means, dont forget to donate, campaign, and vote for Joe Biden. The guy most aligned with your politics on one the biggest issues in the world currently.

zombie

Sorry Doc, indoor dining is, in fact, the pinnacle of human existance.

Anonymous

When she talks about deaths does she means people who die from Covid or with Covid?

Liska Ostojic
>>93351677

Lol yes they start off by saying Prasad cherry picks data and then proceed to *not* provide the rest of the data!