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Episode 219 - Good Soup: On Protesting AOC, BP, & Cringe (Patreon)

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This week, Briahna speaks to Current Affairs editor-in-chief Nathan J. Robinson about last week's viral protest of AOC over her votes for Ukraine funding and silence on pushing for peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. Were the protestors fair to say Tulsi Gabbard has gotten to the left of the squad on this issue? Is it fair to say voting for military aid is voting for World War III? Did the protestors really shout down a deaf constituent, or is AOC weaponizing disability to avoid answering legitimate questions? We also discussed the climate protestors who threw soup at a Van Gough on Friday: Is this a legit protest or cringe? Weigh in on the debate tonight on Callin.

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Comments

Ty Henry, aka Sports Droppings

Tulsi has ALWAYS been to the Left of the squadlets on imperial foreign policy, except in areas where two individual members (Omar, Tlaib) have a personal stake (Somalia, Palestine). I've always said AOC was scared to death at what happened to Tulsi after she fell on her sword in 2016 for Bernie.

Anonymous

This is a really embarrassing performance for Nathan.

Lydia Maria Child

Anyone notice the subtle pattern of east-coast "leftists" being very weak on the whole US proxy war in eastern Europe (or Syria, etc.)? What's the deal with New Yorkers, in particular, being so bad on this issue? Peer pressure from their trust fund friends in Brooklyn? Seriously, this is a problem. Even Chapo Trap House are a bunch of push-overs on this issue, never have much to say on this...almost like there is an unspoken rule not to criticize the current US proxy war there. What gives? Weak shit, folks. Grow a spine. Anyone who values "friends" who support nazis are pieces of shit.

Cclear

The people protesting AOC were right and we need more of this. Also Nathan saying there's not a problem with giving weapons to Ukraine (Nazis) as long as we have conditions on it? Huh? So arming Nazis is okay as long as you tell them to be good boys and girls and behave themselves? Come on. "Defensive weapons" are ok? Don't have him on again. I can watch MSNBC for this nonsense. This is not leftism or even common sense. This is imperialism and American exceptionalism

Cclear
>>93749930

Might as well just interview Ro. Except I know why Ro says the stuff he says. He's in Congress and part of the dem establishment, especially on imperialism. But what's Nathan's excuse? What does he gain from this nonsense?

Yup

Was excited to hear this until I realized the guest was Nathan. Can we at least get a panel if this guy or Ro is going to be on

Anonymous
>>93749930

I think when Nathan got bitch-slapped by the Guardian for some dumb joke-tweet he did. He licked their boots & whined that he'd never do it again - but they wouldn't take him back as a contributor. I think he even cried a river on Bad Faith after it had happened. After they smacked his pocket-book, he went full-frontal Dem/Squad apologist. Nathan learned his lesson. He's a good, obedient Dem Propagandist now. Good boy, Nathan! Sit pretty, c'mon, sit pretty! Here's a dog treat! In all honesty, I think my dogs have more integrity and honesty in their furry, little pinky-paws than Nathan has in his whole PMC privileged white-boy body.

Anonymous
>>93750312

Chapo makes me sad. Before Bernie got rooked the 2nd time, they were fun to listen to. Now, they have people like Hasan Piker on, and pretty much spew AOC-style talking points. Sad.

Anonymous
>>93750417

Well, to be fair to Nathan, Nazis have a long history of honesty and thoughtful, measured responses to... wait a second. Maybe Nathan forgot there's that whole holocaust-thingy, so maybe arming Nazis is a BAD idea.

Anonymous
>>93754345

I would LOVE to see Nathan or Ben Burgis or Krystal & Her Stable Boyz on a panel with RBN. I bet they would never do it, because the PMC crowd thinks they are the only important voices in the room. They think RBN and channels like them, don't have enough credentials, degrees or big enough bank accounts to be allowed in the conversation.

Anonymous

The problem with AOC, like any politician or person in the public eye, is putting them on a pedestal to where it becomes more about them than the idea. AOC has been given the benefit of the doubt for so long but I’ve felt she was sus since the beginning. She whines and cries when she gets criticized. She constantly victimizes herself, traps herself in hypocrisy. And Brie is right, when you are so loud with righteousness and then you do the opposite it is justified for you to be called out. So many liberal progressives love her because she’s got the soundbytes and the tweets but very little in the way of delivering. Because, I’d argue, most liberal progressives main concerns are surface level, rhetoric and words. This is why so many people are invested in changing words but very little in the way of material gains. AOC should not be seen as an outlier or a special case though. She is just another case of an individual slowly becoming captured by the party system that she is in. This is why the “insider game” will not work.

Anonymous

it will never not be insane to me to see proven leftists critique protesting tactics like this one for not having a clear message. how much clearer do you want them to get? just say you want to protect AOC at any cost, it'll save us all a lot of time.

Will

So is this guy just a lib or what? I’m not that deep in but I’ve heard no historical analysis at all for what’s brought us here. Just something about Putin being a mad man that can destroy the US if pushed too far? FOH

Michelle B
>>93750312

Yeah, it's weird. Chapo originally came out pretty strong but I think they got so much shit from the liberals and VBNMW crowd that they backed away from their position. And if you listen to some of the folks who they've had on their podcast like The American Prestige folks it can be pretty intolerable :( I will never understand why Lefty Media feels the need to validate fake talking points about Russia and use American framing that is very clearly skewed from reality. I can't tell if they are just reading too many American news sources or if the coercive power of our media in "canceling" those who speak out against American war narratives is really that powerful. Plus that study out of Australia about the amount of pro-western propaganda for the Ukrainian war on Twitter... That might be having an impact on that crowd. I have a lot of friends who seem to have been skewed by false talking points that I'm guessing they picked up there? LA DSA was quite quick and putting out a good statement so it might be more of an East Coast thing too? Unless something has changed... I haven't tracked with it.

Nick Grayson

“My only real criticism of the protest is that they picked a valuable painting that had glass protecting it.” Co-signed, Brie.

Anonymous
>>93758306

Agreed! For someone who started out so Fierce ("If I'm a one term congress-person, so be it!") and has fallen back on Victim Queen and Instagram/Tweeter Merch Store. She squandered her social media power and now she's a joke. Is there anyone who actually still believes she's fighting the system? I mean besides Jon Idarola and TYT. Is she fghting for M4A? Anything?!? It's pathetic.

Sifl

I am fine with people protesting AOC and other progressive. Have at it. Same for the climate activists throwing soup on a Van Gogh. Have at it. But I do think that progressives put too much stock in protests and not enough stock in the hard work needed to build coalitions and organize like minded people into organizations to effect change. Amazon workers in Albany just lost a unionization vote. Of course, Amazon violated every sentence in the NLRA in opposing the election. But I do think progressives should be far more concerned about organizing to support labor actions at Amazon, etc. than whether we need to have someone stand up and shout at AOC. It seems like the discussions about tactics are based on the premise that there is some magic maneuver that we can do in order to win when the reality is that protests are just a very small part of what causes big change in society.

Anonymous
>>93903139

Yup. It needs to not just be grandstanding and performative politics, nor can it just be electoralism (although getting enough leftists into office and forming a sizeable voting bloc could make a huge difference, but that has its own challenges). We need to constantly be organizing with groups that are supporting workers and ensuring laws are enforced (or lobbying or striking to get other laws struck down or changed). I think a lot of leftists (myself included) have a hard time identifying proper entry points for a lot of this direct action, for example, the Socialist Alternative group in my area not being very well-organized or not making meeting info publicly accessible. Hoping to get in contact with someone soon to change this and make this easier for others to get involved in, though.

Anonymous
>>93750417

Okay, I only have a surface level understanding of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, but can anyone link some sources about supposed Nazis in Ukraine?? I'm flabbergasted to hear this and was surprised to not hear that questioned in the podcast

Jared
>>93750417

Watch The Bad Faith episode with Max Blumenthal or the one with Aaron Mate. Or both.

Jared
>>93750312

Ive known Chapo are worthless ever since Force the Vote.

Jared
>>93749930

Nope he’s been this way forever. Watch Greenwald’s episode of System Update where Nathan was a guest arguing some nonsensical democrat propaganda. It was when Greenwald was still at the Intercept.