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[UNLOCKED] Episode 223 - The Letter (w/ Joe Cirincione) (Patreon)

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2022-10-31 01:54:38
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This week, Briahna has a heated but productive conversation with Joe Cirincione, former president of the Ploughshares Fund -- a public grant-making foundation focused on nuclear nonproliferation and conflict resolution -- about the controversy surrounding the CPC letter pushing for peace in Ukraine. Every argument you've seen against the letter is competently raised by Joe. Briahna responds. Let us know what you think.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands)

Comments

Anonymous

Brie is so impressive. She's smarter and more talented than most of the guests, no matter how accomplished, and is always challenging her own beliefs. This guy is clearly used to being amongst fellow partisans, all closing ranks, spouting the same viewpoints, branding people who challenge them as traitors. The most loyal Ukraine flag Liberals gobbled up 4 years of russiagate propaganda. The proxy war for them is USA on one side Trump/Russia on the other. This is the necessary delirium to believe its necessary to send 80B to Ukraine for a regional ethnic fued. American democrats see a crumbling empire and have decided to go down with the ship. They will leave the keys to the emergent fascist Republicans.

Lionel Boyd Johnson

Had to listen again, Brie you just keep getting better and better. Really amazing work with this one.

Anonymous

For amount of times people accuse the Greyzone of being paid by Russia to say things, you’d think they’d have any proof at all. Apart from Max speaking on RT is there anything at all? By that same logic if you’ve ever written anything published in the BBC are you assuredly a mouthpiece of MI6 and the home office?

Sifl
>>94761217

The funny thing is that the Grayzone uses precisely that logic to attack defenders of Ukraine. The Kyiv Independent took a one time grant of $200k Canadian dollars through the European Endowment for Democracy and has since been crowd funded. The Grayzone has since always referred to the Independent as a shill for the EU. Blumenthal and Mate both come from money (Sydney Blumenthal and Gabor Mate). The Grayzone's articles are mostly what you could do sitting in a coffee shop with free wifi. I doubt they have much of an operating budget. What is concerning about the Grayzone is whether they are being fed info from Russian government sources or their proxies. The line between Blumenthal and Mate's talking points and Russian propaganda is very blurry. Mate cited a former Polish minister's tweet thanking US for destroying the Nordstream pipeline and several other selective quotes from US officials as "where there is smoke" evidence that the US was behind the sabotage. Russian state media cited the exact same tweet and quotes. Maybe Mate fed the info to Russia or vice a versa. But the unity between the two was not what you would want to see from someone calling themselves and independent leftist journalist.

Anonymous

Uggghhhh I rolled my eyes so many times! Thanks for this, Bri <3

Jesse

Brie kicked so much ass in this ep and shit like this is why she still gets my money

Lionel Boyd Johnson
>>94761217

Sifl, I'm not disputing anything you laid out here or defending Grayzone, but don't you think it's worth at least hearing the other side's point of view or at least hear their talking points and spin on things? If we're not going to at least engage with each other's ideas and arguments, what is left, endless conflict? I mean, the Polish minister (Anne Applebaum's husband, Radoslaw Sikorski, who was previously Poland's minister of foreign affairs, and minister of defense, not just a random "minister" but someone who had held the highest offices in Poland) did in fact tweet out congratulations to the USA after Nordstream2 was sabotaged, then soon deleted it, isn't that a legitimate news story, regardless of who reports it?

Anonymous

Brie is sheer excellence - courageous, honest, and amazingly logical. I enjoy her lively programs and am so proud to be one of her many Patreon supporters. Nil carborundum illegitimi, girl. You win! 👑

Ronald Hinchley

I wonder how much damage he did at the Ploughshares Fund. Clearly at cross purposes.

Andrew Lathrop

Thank you Bri. This interview and episode is exactly why I am a patron. Just as in any war the fact will only come out later, Vietnam, Iraq,Afghanistan, etc. Babies from the incubators covering the charges of weapons of mass destruction. War/sanctions are the weapons of mass destruction. Keep the Faith, I am : )

Anonymous
>>94761217

So how many times does one accept money and hence are a shill, more than once or is one acceptance enough to be a called shill? Once is enough. Maybe you should pointout to Max about the crowdfunding as I'm sure he would appreciate the update and no way is his integrity brought down,nor nhis dedication to the truth by being imperfect, so you need to tell him, or else stop doing the calumny dance. The grayzone lays out the truth as is its only goal, but no one knows everything, so instead of commenting here again tell him,not us. I've read Aaron and Max for a while,since 2010 and both have not shaken my confidence they're telling what's true, as I never use one source and it's a pain, but they are accurate. Aaron won an Izzy award. So what if they come from money, the whole idea is truth isn't dependent on where you came from, so WTF why would yoiu say that as if it matters? Poor people I can tell you lie more readily than well off do.

Anonymous
>>94761217

Max and Aaron and Anya have gone to other countries and Aaron went to Syria over the Doumas gas false assad gassing. THINK

Anonymous
>>94761217

Still you have no evidence for your claims regarding their legitamacy they don't do US propaganda nor Russian either. Hasty conclusions are your claim to fame?

Anonymous

Bri, never allow anyone to claim you are ovrly emotional, this Joe guy at every misguidedness he revealed I wanted to ppound him in his head hoping it could have him hear his own stupid claims especially whe he said what he did after hearing Tulsi, whom I also heard every fact she made was legit.