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Gray Zone Journalist & Useful Idiots Co-host Aaron Maté joins Jacobin staff writer Branko Marcetic to discuss the fall out from the Joe Cirincione interview, and answer tough questions about when and if the United States should intervene in a humanitarian crisis, whether what is happening in Ukraine constitutes genocide, whether Russia's possession of nuclear weapons means the American left is always for "appeasement," and whether the term "appeasement" is a useful one.

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Anonymous

The three of you are talking as if the USG "should" pressure Ukraine to

Anonymous

negotiate because of the money and arms the USG has provided. The USG provided this money and these arms in order to make this war happen. The only "should" is anti-war and anti-imperialism Americans finding ways individually and collectively to oppose the sending of any more arms and money to Ukraine.

Anonymous

Your comment section makes me think that you need a Discord channel.

Joey

Fantastic episode, such a good discussion!

Sheri

Great episode, as always! The longer the better. Can’t get enough of your voice and the interesting voices you bring on. Keep the faith. ✌🏼❤️

Anonymous

During the Vietnam War there were 'peace talks' from 1965 till the end of US involvement in 1973. While the fighting went on. It seems more than reasonable/common sense for this to be happening now.

The Talking Wombat

This is an excellent episode with thoughtful conversation (among a series of excellent episodes). I do not agree with Branko's perceptions of Russia's economy and military prowess, but respect his opinion. BTW: I joined her Patreon to let Bri know that some "fellas" disagree with those Shiba Inu fellas and want to support Bri's work rather that see it censored. Blessings to Bri and all her supporters.

superclodclod

Took a news vacation and just learned of the NAFO attempt to deplatform Brie. This is appalling. Just want to say that Brie and Bad Faith has my support.

Anonymous

Don't let these warmongering demons shut you up. Keep up the good work Brihana.

Anonymous

Great episode. Surprised (well not actually) to agree completely with lefties.

caroline McCabe

Great Episode. (Joe Cirincione is condescending. It appears he thinks he “knows best”!)

Anonymous

I stopped listening to this one about 5 minutes in after assertions about right wing vigilantism allegedly stamping out pro Russian sentiment. This one needed some major receipts, given how different it is from other narratives, including both leftist anarchist and mainstream narratives, and how uncomfortably close it is to Russia’s assertion that it started the war to “denazify” Ukraine. Feels like folks need a reminder that they can resist US imperialism without taking other imperialists’ assertions at face value.