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Episode 241 - Propaganda for the Planet (w/ Timothy Morton) (Patreon)

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2023-01-09 13:33:36
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This week, a philosophical conversation about the environmental movement with eco-philosopher Timothy Morton. We discuss the Stop Oil soup/Van Gogh protest, the value of political performance, Don't Look Up, meaninglessness as an attribute, & more. (Some Glass Onion spoilers!)

Subscribe to Bad Faith on YouTube for video of this episode. Find Bad Faith on Twitter (@badfaithpod) and Instagram (@badfaithpod).

Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Jesse Koechling
>>99270704

No problem! I've been meaning to rewatch it for awhile now, so I'm glad this conversation reminded me of it.

Peter Reed
>>99270704

That was great, thank you. (But now of course I'm feeling dirty, sick, and wanting to burn it all down.)

Brandon Rawnsley

This guy and this conversation are useless. Don't waste your time listening to this one.

Anonymous

Hey all. I am just curious, regarding the soup can art thing. I can understand a debate about whether or not it is/was effective. And I can also understand those who are about it, champion that style of protest, like this guy. I guess I don’t really understand people spending time critiquing/hating on it. Like, if that wasn’t your thing, fine, but why would you care enough to get upset about it? Is the critique simply that it wasn’t enough, because there was no actual destruction?

gardenwallflower

This guy constantly referencing Beatles lyrics and the 80s prog-rock band RUSH as if these touchstones are going to hit home with Bri and her audience… 🙄

Jesse Koechling
>>99270704

Haha, yeah.... this is probably what began my serious disillusion with the art world as an artist. But also allowed me to find other artistic areas that feel less pretentious and commodified. But yes... burn it all down!!!

zombie

bros accent is doing a lot of heavy lifting in his career lol

Joseph Clerici

I won't tolerate this repeated slander of Rush.

Adam Burch

This guy sucks so much. He just wants to hear himself talk

Chronivore

This is one of the most vapid conversations ive ever endured. This dude sucks

MYK’L ROCKS

Seriously? What’s the goal? Getting more people ON BOARD to challenge the corporate elite and their influence on the environment. How do we do it? Shift the normies using alluring tactics not setting them off by faux-stroying art which they will always gravitate to as a sample of high society of which they wish to be a part of, and the closest they can get to it is in a museum. Art that 100% of the time outlives everyone regardless of class. It’s a terrible method and Nador is right that it’s a boomeranged attack.

Dave Reinhardt

This is an interesting vibey conversation that I genuinely enjoyed. However I cannot escape the belief among many within the punk community that when the Clash and many lesser known bands were openly supporting international liberation movements, the Sex Pistols basically existed to depoliticize these angry kids and turn the movement into pure performative nihilism. So much so that some people became suspicious that Malcolm McLaren was connected to intelligence (punk is CIA) etc. So I don’t think I’d look to the “threatening grin” of John Lydon, a right wing corporate spokesperson now, over someone like Joe Strummer, who put his career on the line to publicly support the Sandinistas and RAF and always moved within the tide of true left political culture until his death in the mid aughts.