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Episode 263 - Can We Win? (w/ Carlos Cardona & Marcurius Byrd) (Patreon)

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Briahna sits down with Carlos Cardona and Marcurius Byrd, the New Hampshire and South Carolina state directors for Marianne Williamson's 2024 campaign about what it would take for a progressive to win, and whether it's even possible given what we know about how the DNC put the finger on the scale in the last two Democratic primaries. What lessons were learned from how Bernie operated in South Carolina? Do the changes to the primary schedule improve Marianne's chances in New Hampshire? And should progressives invest emotionally if not financially in this race? An insider view of the campaign you wont get anywhere else.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Anonymous

Meh, I won't be too harsh on these guys. I've worked shittier jobs for less pay. Nonetheless I shall say that it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a Democrat (or a Republican), even in a primary. Insofar we are talking about electoral politics, I shall again implore you to seek and vet a third party or independent candidate. Ballotpedia indicates that several left-of Democratic Party candidates have registered to run, including Green Party, Communist Party, Peace and Freedom, and unaffiliated candidates. Can we reach out to them instead of bickering about whether or not we should vote for Williamson in a rigged Democratic Party primary that will likely block Williamson from appearing on a debate stage? Here is the link to Ballotpedia's list of registered U.S. Presidential candidates... https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2024_presidential_candidates#Registered_2024_presidential_candidates

Anonymous

The idea that we're discussing this presidential campaign as the most interesting thing the left is doing in 2023 is a very pathetic state of affairs. Sabby Sabs does a nice job breaking down Glenn's interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2CVPA8PNrM Ms Williamson doesn't give a straight answer on most of the questions Glenn asks. It should be unthinkable that she doesn't have more clarity on her views on these issues. My god, the woman is running for PRESIDENT. She's pretty flagrantly unqualified (no previous experience in elected office) and out of her depth. If you walk into the snake-pit that is DC politics without a solid vision and a coherent view and understanding of what needs to happen to get there, then you're going to get batted around like a ping pong ball. The left deserves better and should demand it.

Anonymous

I kept editing my comment and editing my comment but finally decided to delete it because I really don't want to offend anyone who feels that they have been helped by MW's teachings. Here is the url for a deep dive into her views done by Maintenance Phase podcast hosts Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbes: https://maintenancephase.buzzsprout.com/1411126/9179397-marianne-williamson I will only say that I don't understand why someone who espouses such controversial views doesn't feel the need to explain how or in what way they have been misconstrued or taken out of context (as Kyle and Krystal keep insisting they have).

Anonymous

There is another potential candidate...RFK Jr. just brought a class action lawsuit on Friday against the biden admin, Fauci, and federal agencies for violating Americans 1st amendment rights. He's a kennedy, he's against the war in ukraine, he's pro climate, possible bipartisan support on several issues, the older generations have a positive view on him, but then there is his reputation as an anti vaccine activist. But I believe he would self describe as pro vaccine safety, as all his children are vaccinated. Thoughts?

Anonymous

This New Hampshire Marianne operative is an absolute bird brain

Anonymous

Marianne union busted (hard) when she was the CEO of a nonprofit. I don’t hate the idea of some person running from the left but I think the damage of running someone who is not legit and didn’t really believe the stuff (see: lifelong rich person with a track record of union busting -the biggest 🚩- saying fucked up things about imperialist wars, and grifting for a living off of self help books that say you can lose weight and cure cancer with a better attitude) would be worse. How many hours have been spent on this pod talking about the damage wrought by people co-opting left energy and funneling it into some other establishment BS by another name? How many times are we going to be taken in by this nonsense? How many more people are we willing to lose to “oh well I guess there’s nothing we can do bc this recognizable figure says so”? I get the desperation around “oh well there’s no one else this is the best option we have” but I think the laser focus on this as a tactic is kind of misplaced if you’re willing to back just anyone - and I think there’s a bit of chicken egg situ here given how much airtime left media is giving this woman vs. someone else who might actually make waves (electorally or in a different space). I’m not asking for perfection but let’s not act like it’s being a purist for saying if you’ve shown yourself to be actively antagonistic to labor / working people but call yourself a leftist you’re probably a bad bet & most likely bullshit. My tldr here is every and any person who calls themselves “left” but union busts can fuck right off. 🤗

Cclear
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And gets on the debate stage to say she wouldn't go for Medicare for all because it would alienate people and cause a backlash. Even when she was an absolute longshot! Would people take Bernie seriously if he said anything like that? Why is it okay when she says it?

Margaret Okuzumi

I hadn't actually read the Politico piece until now. The former staff do explain in it why they are coming forward now. And well, it's hard to refute what 12 people had to say. I don't know if the former staffer I know was one of the 12 interviewed but I do know she seemed thoroughly traumatized by the campaign though she never discussed specifics. And I know someone else who knows a number of former Marianne staffers who say she was abusive. It's heartbreaking and tragic but yeah I think I'll pass on busting my ass to put someone like that into the White House.

Anonymous

There is one, and only one, way I'd support anyone from the "left" running in the Democratic primary - and that would be if they came in with an absolutely scorched earth attitude and dropped truth bombs about Democrats and the two-party system and made it clear that no, they would not support Joe Biden or any other warmongering corporatist if they won the primary. They would encourage their supporters to vote third party. Problem, of course, is that since 2016 the Dems have forced candidates to sign a "loyalty pledge" to even be allowed to run, so such a person would just be summarily ejected from the party the minute they opened their mouth.

Anonymous

The bigger issue with Marianne running is how deeply unethical it really is. It's clear that she has exactly zero chance of winning a Democrat primary - whether it's carried out fairly or not (it won't be). She and her supporters are talking about setting up a left that is already losing for another embarrassing loss, which is only going to sap more energy from a movement that is floundering and pathetic to begin with. As Brie points out, Marianne is a non-starter for large numbers of us due to her horrific foreign policy (which seems to be "make new-agey statements about universal brotherhood but otherwise do nothing different). So she's already starting off with a far smaller base than Bernie even had in 2016. Now go from there and imagine Wal Mart workers and warehouse workers and plumbers and UPS drivers giving Marianne their lunch money. Because that's what it took for Bernie to get where he was, and he LOST. And if Marianne does succeed in convincing working class people to give her money they can't afford to give for a campaign that is doomed from the start, that's just going to be gross.

Sheri

Thanks for this episode, Briahna! I was actually filled with hope for the first time in a long time. Still skeptical, of course, but by the end I found myself thinking there was just a slim possibility that she actually could win. Not the Democratic nomination, but maybe the presidency if she ran as a third party candidate if (or when?) she doesn’t get the democratic nomination. If trump can win, why not Marianne? I say that as someone who knew nothing about her before the 2020 primary and thought she came off as a bit of a kook in that. I’ve loved almost everything I’ve heard her say since then and wished the voters could have seen the real Marianne in the primary. Thanks for everything you do! I think you’re the most important left voice and I so appreciate your gift for communication and persuasion! Listening to your voice keeps me sane. Keep the faith. ✌🏼❤️