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Episode 264 - Rules Based Order (w/ Dr. Trita Parsi) (Patreon)

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This week, Briahna talks to frequent Rising guest Dr. Trita Parsi of the Quincy institute about Putin's meeting with President Xi and the potential paths to peace in Ukraine. Is the West actually indispensable to global peace? What does it mean if it's not? What should we make of the West's skepticism of a ceasefire in Ukraine? And is it really true that the only anti-war electeds are on the right?

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Michelle B

It's fascinating to see framings like "is the US indispensable to World Peace" because it is abundantly clear based on our foreign policy that the US has intentionally caused death and War in countries around the world for profit. The US wants these countries in conflict. The US fuels conflict intentionally and in many cases straight up causes it. The US sells weapons to the world. Our entire economy is structured around War profiteering. America's positioning in the world is not about stopping conflict, it's about domination. I remember an earlier discussion framed around the idea of whether the US would and should intervene militarily if there was another Holocaust... When right now the US is fueling all of the actual genocides that are occurring in the world. Yemen, Palestine and Syria all seem to be the places that fit the bill. And the book Jakarta Method covers the US role in the genocide in Indonesia. The number of deaths the US has caused in its war against communism puts us in the space of BEING the 4th Reich, not stopping it. Framings around the US as critical to peace are a joke. The US intentionally caused the war in Ukraine. It is trying to cause a War with China. The US respects the needs of no one and accepts nothing but subservience and domination. It overthrows governments that try to use their resources for their people and creates propaganda against "Nationalism" - as in other nations trying to improve the lives of their people with their resources - for the profit of the oligarchs who own our country. The fight against communism is and always has been a fight against countries that use their resources to improve the lives of their people and create more equal societies in favor of profiteering by our oligarchs through cheap resource extraction. The idea that the US is looking for the right or moral side is such a joke. America has been funding Nazis in Ukraine since World War II when it was a part of the Soviet Union to attempt to overthrow the government. America's foreign policy, driven by the CIA and covert actions does not align with any of the statements being made by the people who choose to ignore the reality of the fact that what America says and what America does do not line up. We are not doing this with morality under consideration at all. It's about destabilizing anyone else who tries to organize themselves in a different way or could stand up to us and we are finally at a point where we pushed other countries so far that they feel they have to stand up. The left in America cannot be taken seriously unless it is honest about the role of its country in enforcing inequality in the world through it's militarism and acknowledges the fact that the rest of the world is not safe until US imperialism is put in check. And if we don't realize that hearing people say that Russia "hasn't suffered enough" - the country that lost 27 million people in the last World War - and we aren't flagging that as the sickest shit that's ever been said and completely disgusting and inhuman we have a real problem.

Anonymous
>>105231860

Brilliant. I enjoyed the skilled discussion , but found myself rolling my eyes: THE US WANTS WAR!! This is another endless regime change proxy war for greed and power. Duh It isn’t complicated. Listening to reasons the bullying is for “their own good” is just gross. Sociopathic

Michelle B
>>105231860

And what Europe is saying and what your country seems to be promoting is the idea of breaking Russia up into five countries so they can take its gas and install proxy States... That's what's being floated in the newspapers by major players in the West.

Anonymous

I'm so sick of the "leader of the free world" bull shit. And everyone turning a blind eye because of their 401k.

Michelle B
>>105233868

Also really can't keep having people who are on the left pretending that this war was initiated by Russia. This war was initiated by America. We can fault Russia for "entering" when they did, but to deny the reality of what started the war and when it started is extremely problematic. We were pouring billions of dollars and weapons into Ukraine under Trump and long before we are the ones who overthrew the government and installed the government that was hostile to Russia and half of the citizens of Ukraine. Democrats like Chris Murphy have acknowledged it publicly back before Russia entered. They happily took credit ... Right up until the narrative didn't suit them anymore and then they tried to change history. I can't tell you the number of articles and websites that I have in my bookmarks history that were once accurate accounts of what occurred that have been disappeared from the internet in the last year. Anyone who's accepting the Western framing is just participating in the obscuring of reality and spreading fake news. And the idea that Biden has managed this to de-escalate is bullshit. That's just the patience of everyone else and the fact that THEY aren't belligerent. America was fueling this thing from the get-go even when it was only in the borders of Ukraine against Ukrainians - and continues to be pouring weapons into it which makes us an active belligerent. The fact that we don't have bombs going off in the continental United States is just the restraint of Russia. Not Joe Biden. According to international law America is a belligerent country in this conflict by dozens of metrics.

Anonymous
>>105253046

I get that same feeling. We’re supposed to pretend that our Electeds/wannabe Electeds really give a CRAP about struggling working poor folks when they are JUST FINE with MURDERING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS PROFITABLE ! And after all, it can’t be bad because their “we’re virtuous” party has instructed them that all the Kool Kids love war; hate Palestinians; think Jim Crow Crime Bill Joe is doing a bank up job—the best he can!; and republicans are devil spawn and we Dems are infallible. It’s just disgusting. There’s no where to go for sanity.

Thomas Koza

This pod is going downhill

Thomas Koza
>>105231860

It’s like this guest was on to justify Williamson’s bad stance on Ukraine.

Anonymous

The USA doesn't do diplomacy, at least not how most countries would define it. We bully. We starve. We destroy. We murder. We Coup & control. We rape, ravage and rob countries for our Corporations benefit. The USA thinks strength is only shown thru physically grinding, or threatening to do so, another govt into doing what we want - no compromise, no exceptions. China is showing strength thru talks, promoting mutual benefits, building trust instead of fear & hopelessness. The Duopoly is PRO WAR. There's no way to vote against war, but by NOT voting for either Team. Pretty Precious Princess Marianne is a fucking WAR PIG, just like Bernie, AOC the Army Recruiter, and the Dems. Period. Our US Govt doesn't care if they destroy Europe's economy, murder billions, put Climate Crisis on turbo. They just want to be able.to plant the US flag on top of the ashes. Even if their own citizens are part of that rubble. But, the PMC crowd will manage the mass burial, so it's all good.

Anonymous

Let's stop using the Neolib term "Lethal Aid." We are giving WEAPONS for the purpose of killing people & destroying cities. Anyone using that terms is up to their eyeballs.in shit, and they know it.

Liska Ostojic
>>105231860

This singular issue is why Williamson will never have my support, idgaf how “good” or smart or progressive or left she is on other issues, or how desperately horrible the alternative is. I bent my principles for Bernie (who also notoriously has bad foreign policy stances and votes) and never again.

Liska Ostojic
>>105231860

Quincy Inst presented itself as vaguely on the left, but are anything but. They are probably where Dems were 30 years ago (and Dems are now 1980 Republicans). The slide in American politics is ever and perpetually to the right.

Liska Ostojic
>>105231860

Brilliantly stated. Haven’t even listened to the episode yet — came here to judge the vibe (and whether to spend my time) from the comments, and your very first one says everything I need to know 👏 👏

Liska Ostojic

The Quincy Inst seemed so promising when it was announced — an anti-war think tank! Wow! And has proven to be one of the vilest propagandists and “players” in this “game” out there simply because they can **pretend** to be the good, smart, restrained, rational ones, while carrying water for the American imperial project. Disgusting.

Anonymous
>>105253046

Sorry to hear that resonated, Lovey. It’s awful. Thanks for staying engaged enough to be outraged! ❤️🔥❤️✊❤️✌️❤️

Anonymous
>>105293367

There’s been a subtle but perceptible shift in tenor, that’s clear.

Anonymous
>>105231860

PRO-war is ANTI-worker! Full stop. War is THE MAJOR incentive to DENY free healthcare; thriving wage; free public college/trade schools; & other CAPITALIST (not socialist) peer country survival basics. Electeds KEEP ppl DESPERATE as a COERCIVE financial duress induced military draft!, maintained by anti worker/struggling/poor polices. It is by design. Just as one cannot be pro apartheid Israel and expect to believed when they purport to speak of reparations; one who is pro war canNOT expect to be believed when they purport to be pro worker/struggling/poor folks. Some policy positions reveal the heart of those who hold them.

Cclear

I've always enjoyed hearing from Professor Parsi on The Hill and Breaking Points. He knows how to frame things in a way that can get through to vote blue no matter who types. He may not say "America is imperialist war-mongers", but he says things more subtly that can get through to other people. I know vote blue no matter who shitlibs who trust him and they reconsider things

Cclear
>>105299298

Agree. I enjoyed Professor Parsi's interview other than when he said he supports arming Ukraine. We don't know where those weapons are going. Many of which are going to Nazis like Azov or even worse. He must know that and he also must know the cause of this war was the US insistence on expanding NATO and refusing diplomacy with Russia