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Howdy folks, We're having an issue again with Sooner or Later/Baby it's Cold Outside following Patreon's guidelines. The latest update to BiCO was pulled, and unfortunately it was for more the mention of SA and situational circumstances that did it. Not something I can easily censor without changing a story that isn't written by me.

Some of you may or may not recall an issue I had early last year where an SoL post here had suspended my account- Scary, as Patreon is how I make a living and support my family! So reasonably this has me wondering what preventative measures I can take to avoid this happening again. (I am open to suggestions!) At the moment, my prevailing idea is that maybe any posts that might go against guidelines can be posted to the Sooner or Later bluesky account. I won't be able to link directly to offending posts, as that also goes against guidelines, but I theoretically should be able to inform everyone the update could be read there. (Of course if I do that, those specific posts won't be able to be exclusive to Patrons.) I'll also probably start a SubscribeStar account just so I don't have all my eggs in one basket, but I'm not going to migrate anywhere.

This is my best idea so far, but I am open to suggestions. : ) Thank you for hanging on while I sort this out, and a big hearty thank you for supporting a hard working artist. You all rock so hardcore, it's great to have you all around!

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ViveeMoonSpoon

HOW DARE THEY!! Grrrh GRRR I WANT WHAT I WANT AND U CANT STOP ME!! Dont let it discourage u!!! I’ll beat them up cold-heartedly with ONE HAND!!!! RAGGHH!! Unbelievable truly but understandable. How greatly disappointed our system is to art. It should not be discriminated against. (My normal version) I do appreciate your work ever since the beginning. The genre, style, and plot is simply wonderful! If ever so changes I will ultimately explode.

Raxceni

So sorry they keep doing that to you. I was just wondering what happened to it cuz I was rereading through chapter 2 of BiCO. I hope you can upload the pages somewhere!

angii

Wow that’s probably so annoying but I can reassure u wherever else you post I’ll definitely still keep reading! I love the art style

Patty1422

It's a shame 😡 you should draw what you want and how you think it's better (especially if you have customers who pay). Patreon is really a shit. If we weren't so many, I would tell you to send the aforementioned updates directly to our emails or keep a common google drive. But I think we are to many 😅 and maybe there is the problem of the privacy for you 😔

Mᴇʟɪᴋᴀs

I hadn't thought of that, that's a really good idea! I will seriously consider this. There is actually a function where you can directly email everyone subscribed to a specific tier, and I really like the idea of a limited viewing space like google drive...! I'll have to run this by my partner and work out if it's doable, to me that's quite a creative solution! I might not be able to directly link people, is the only catch- But maybe, maaaybe I can figure out how to make something like this work... Awesome idea!

TheMsource

Really can't stand all the censorship stuff but stupid payment processors I guess UGH! Sorry you went through this again :/ Some additional suggestions: hosting it in a non-synced private discord or alternative (given the mess with that particular platform - stoat and valour I've heard are decent) and making it to where only those you personally verify are subscribers can get in so it's still exclusive like you'd like. There's also the option of having a locked profile on a site (like how twitter does it) and only allowing verified patreon subscribers to follow where you could post the more questionable pages. Sites like Mastodon offer servers like baraag that won't hassle you for fictional content but they're not very popular, which may or may not work for your needs? That's all I can really think of ^^;

Alegro 🍉

DAMN! Why they always do this (while they’re probably perverts in private). It’s not even your fault… It's this system that's really disapponting, like you said, this is how you live and support yourself and your family and it’s not the first time it happened to art. I understand your discomfort. And whatever you’ll do, you’ll have our support, because your art is gorgeous. Hope you’re gonna solve this problem, because you don’t deserve it❤️

Patty1422

Oh really!😳 I had a good idea, incredible 😅 I'm glad I helped you ❤️😊👍 Build it well, so that like on the drive you are the only editor and we are just the viewers

Opp Lol

That sucks sm! One suggestion i have on possibly making sure that they dont do anything to the posts would be re-wording to make it suggestive rather then explicit? I know you dont want to change the story but thats the only way I know of :(

SimpleSkelly

The fact they are doing this to your account and not others that animate/draw r@pe is down right awful.

LucyTooth

This is really frustrating! I’m unfortunately not in a position to give any advice, (I’m not tech savvy at all!) I’m glad so many people here already know how to help. I wish I could.<3

Zen

Honestly getting a subscribestar for the flagged content would work best. Can always set up the google drive to host the links to the images, and emails thru patreons setup to get them the correct link. Though you'd perhaps need to change it every so often, to prevent previously-subbed from accessing past their paid dates. Honestly with all the damn censorship, I'm surprised anyone can even mention theyre being flagged for anything, since youre then talking about the subject. It's ridiculous, we're adults let us do what we want with our fiction.

Ash the Ash Tree

I still vote for a personal website, though if the issue is subscriptions, then maybe it needs to be reanalyzed or do even more censorship on the drawings cuz i really dont like blue sky.

Neveah Thrasher

Thank you so much for putting in the effort to salvage what you can and doing your best to post to your fans even though the odds are stacked against you. Can't really give any info on what to use to post things that Patreon just simply doesn't allow.. But I can say for the very least that BlueSky is kinda confusing for new users and might cause a few people to turn away. E

Lizbeth Sanchez

Your work is so amazing and beautiful, sorry that partreon rules are confusing, but maybe you can do those draw tutorials and then post them (I don’t think that could work maybe 🤔) either way still love the comics ✌️ 😊

Mᴇʟɪᴋᴀs

I agree completely, it's disorienting having to step down and reason over fictional crime and the intents/actions of a cartoon. In any case, someone else did mention google drive, I liked the idea a lot but the more I looked into it, it can't really be done-- Linking directly to content that goes against Patreon's ToS is a no-no, and I'd been reading some things about drive's own ToS that have been touchy for nsfw creators as well, if you can believe it. But I think I may just end up going the bluesky and subscribestar way; Some people suggested making a website of my own, which I'd very much wanted for a time! For now I'm probably gonna go with the easiest option so we can keep posting for the time being, but a personal website does sound like where I'll have to take things eventually!

Mᴇʟɪᴋᴀs

We're thinking alike- I was thinking I could at least maybe remove the passages I typically include in the description, and start neglecting to mention certain words in the comic. I'm sure to *some* degree that ought to help? I hope!

Mᴇʟɪᴋᴀs

Immean these are great suggestions Msource, thank you so much! I know my partner n I have had some issues with managing discord in the past, but I like the idea of having as little hassle as possible to access the comic-- Maybe it can just serve as a straight forward gallery. A non synced private discord is a good idea, I'll brainstorm on this! Thank you so much!

TheMsource

Yeah I was thinking as just a gallery too. Also seeing the google drive suggestions, Mega is an alternative! You could share there and I believe it offers password protection too. Then you could advertise it by announcing the link via bluesky and only sharing a password in DMs/emails to patreon members. Or if you go just the gallery route you could advertise it there And yeah no problem, just trying to help so you can try to be as authentic to your artistic vision as you can be <3 The world sucks, but you have support! Hope this all works out

Gigi

Question: if this does go forward would you repost the original SOL chapter that got flagged back or no?

Mᴇʟɪᴋᴀs

Yeah I'll post that one too, I think I'll probably start a thread and attach any pages at risk of flagging to it!