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Yuval Noah Harari: Eat Bugs and Live Forever (Patreon)

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2024-04-05 05:52:45
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We take a look at one of the world's most famous neoliberal historians to discover whether he is the great evil Alex Jones alleges, the uncultured philistine the philosophers describe, or an insightful historian as described by various TED introductions.

The Patreon folk are getting this slightly early while we make final checks, so let us know if there are any weird audio glitches.

Finally... WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TOMORROW!

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The Diary of a CEO- Yuval Noah Harari: An Urgent Warning They Hope You Ignore. More War Is Coming!

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James P.

Synchronicity!

RareTripleBait

So what are the audience demographics? Am I an old? 😳

RareTripleBait

Janeway is a great textbook for anyone who wants to go beyond the kurzgesagt picture book on immunology. Look Chris‘n‘ Matt, you build your own natural intelligence recommendation engine!

RareTripleBait

How do you guys understand AI? Just transformer based LLMs? I always took it as the marketing / student of business term for machine learning. Hence recommendation engines would naturally fall under the AI umbrella. Asking because you carved them out of the AI discussion.

Andrew Condon

The stuff he (YNH) was coming out with at the 1:05 mark, i found it reminded me some strange way of much of the David Thewlis soliloquy in "Naked" (Johnny and the security guard). And now i'm really stuck on the idea of using an AI to voice swap Thewlis' and Harari's voices, tho not enough stuck on it to actually do it.

john statham

I enjoyed the resurrection of the Mattrix (X2), but not nearly as much as the newly discovered town in the Swiss Alps where a shady Cabal meet each year: DAVEos indeed, Dr. Browne.

Adam Sher

Did people in the 11th century appreciate the predictability of their economy? That doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Alex H

Love the intro song for Streamer Academics Season. Disgusted though that we didn't get a musical drop again when Matt mentioned Monkey Magic. You 👏 need 👏 to 👏 do 👏 better 👏.

john statham

200, 000 downloads in a month! Just think 800,000 more and you have to give Apple 30% of your earnings.

João Barbosa

Good episode, although Chris’ stubbornness on the jobs topic made me like Yuval more. Just because some jobs keep their name and we can safely predict there will be doctors and farmers and accountants 50y from now it doesn’t mean that the set of skills to exercise those jobs will not change drastically, like some have changed in the previous 50.

Dries T.

Haha so did Matt get the Chocolate Rain guy reference? Surely not?!

Matt Dear

Let me tell you something, you haven't even begun to peak. And when you do peak, we'll know. Because you're gonna peak so hard that everybody in The Gurosphere's gonna feel it.

aneladgam_varelse

People who believe all borders are fictional and war are about fictional things are missing the fact that most territories are actively ruled by someone and that reign has very real consequences

Dries T.

Oh god, that discussion about immortality was *such* a missed opportunity for Matt to mention Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged - the guy in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy who became immortal by accident, and got so bored that he decided to personally insult every living creature in the universe, alphabetically. It somehow feels that that could be how Chris would end up spending eternity - once he'd got through all the toxic podcast content in existence.

Roland Weber

When some well-known figure says things that seem obvious or trite to me, I usually think that there are plenty of people out there to whom it is not obvious or trite. 🤷 Regarding the jobs-of-the-future discussion, I do believe that technological development has sped up significantly, compared to decades ago, let alone centuries. Even if most people will find other ways to employ their skills, it does create an atmosphere of uncertainty. That has an impact on the well-being of people today, and on the decisions they make. Decisions about their professional career, about whether to start a family at all, how to guide their children, or about whom to listen to and give their votes in countries that have actual elections. Chris seems to be more relaxed about this topic than I am. The software industry is one area where AI is currently causing major shifts. I'm a software developer and much prefer to develop software, rather than trying to trick an LLM trained by somebody else into doing the things it is supposed to be doing, while preventing it from doing things it is not supposed to be doing. Some of my co-workers are spending time on HAP filters (Hate Abuse Profanity) for LLMs. Sure, I could learn that if I have to. Doesn't sound appealing to me though. With less than 15 years to retirement, I hope that I can keep working on things that I like, and that those are still considered useful enough to get paid for. Anyway, never mind. Thanks for this decoding!

YellowDreams

In case you didn’t see it typo in the show note “neoliberal historians” instead of “neoliberal historian”

Lillie

It’s me Chris! It’s me!!! I have been waiting for two years for my shoutout!! LILLIE from Wyoming!!🙋‍♀️ great episode, and still waiting 😘

Kyle Dun

Not finished yet but I just feel that there is a point being missed here. Of course, totalitarian regimes have existed in the past, might even be in our near future without AI. But surely we can propose that such a state with advanced AI would be several degrees worse than one without those capabilities. I think that's Yuvals point. And I agree with him. Imagine how hard it would be to organize and maintain clandestine resistance or facilitate the escape of at risk populations as has occurred in the past in the face of such a well equipped state. That is a situation worth worrying about surely.

Joe Romel

Aww man I didn’t get a shout-out! Is the wait list long or something?

Kyle Dun

Also, not sure if I got a shout out or not. Think I heard a Kyle x2. I don't pay all this money to be reduced to a x2, Chris. 😀

Christy Kilgore

My sweet golden retriever of a brother in law got me a copy of Sapiens for Christmas. Bless his heart, he’d just never thought about any of this stuff before.

Linda Sears

The whole uploading consciousness idea really bothers me, probably because I’m an identical twin and have been asked far too many times about whether we feel each other’s pain or experience each other’s thoughts. The definitive answer is no. And as much as we are very similar, I will never be able to be in her body and vice-versa. I think Matt was a little too dismissive of Harari’s ideas since your average person isn’t going to have read lots of speculative sci-fi. But he did admit to being grumpy for not getting enough sleep 🛌 (go back to the Mattrix, Matt)! To be fair to Harari, he started by saying that he is highlighting the potentially negative sides of AI in contrast to those who are only touting its inevitable advantages. You made good arguments that humans can and have done much harm without AI and that Harari indulges in hyperbole, too much speculation, and some doomerism, which make his points weaker. At the same time, history has shown us that we barge forward at our peril, so being cautious is better, in my opinion, particularly because we are emotional beings. My main worry is that we will become overly dependent upon AI, both intellectually and emotionally, to the point that we become more detached from reality and stop having necessary oversight over crucial decisions as this article appears to show: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes.

David Noble

I would have been thrilled to listen to Yuval when I was 16, but now it's fairly boring.

Marcin Junczys-Dowmunt

Hmm, I feel we need an extra episode why the conspiracy addled think he specifically is the antichrist. What am I missing?

Jesse Rimler

Loved this ep. One thing that does grate is Chris and Matt’s kidding-but-not-kidding embrace of the term ‘neoliberal’ (which Matt correctly points out is not evinced by Yuval here — more a faith in a liberal world order). I’m guessing Japan and Australia did not have their public institutions gutted quite like in the US. It’s not that funny here — the rise in homelessness, drop in life expectancy, Welfare funds slashed, all since Reaganism took hold. I walk past tent encampments every day.

Rob

Aren't his fictions just Dawkins's memes?

Martin Birch

After listening I wish you’d cover David Graeber and Neal Stevenson. Infinitely more interesting “big idea” academic and speculative fiction author. Yuval is just boring and pedestrian.

Greg T-K

Harari's coinage of "fictions" is able to do so much work because it's so ill-defined. In Harari's telling, social contracts are fictions, social constructs are fictions, corporations are fictions, money is a fiction, fictions all the way down. I suppose that might be a useful eye-opener to someone who comes from a naive hyperrealist viewpoint, but it immediately becomes useless once it's adopted, since one must to abandon the word for others (words that are already available!) to make any useful progress.