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Dr. K (Part 3): Therapeutic Non-Therapy (Patreon)

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Join Matt and Chris as they embark on their final exploration of the content of Dr. K, the streaming psychiatrist behind Healthy Gamer GG. Previous episodes have focused on his advocacy of Ayurvedic medicine and use of classic rhetoric from Complementary and Alternative medicine spaces but this time the episode examines his most controversial content: the (non)therapy sessions with influencers, particularly a very challenging and controversial conversation with the since departed streamer Reckful.

The episode considers how Dr. K navigates the boundaries between professional therapy and public conversations, his response to an official reprimand from his professional body, and whether his justifications hold up to scrutiny.

Matt and Chris consider the validity of legalistic defences, the ethics of public streaming with vulnerable people, and more general issues with mixing mental health care with entertainment.

This is a long one and features some nuanced discussion on patient-therapist power dynamics, issues of exploitation with vulnerable individuals, and the complexities of regulatory scrutiny and professional ethics.

We warn you this is not a very light one and deals with issues around suicide and mental health.

Sources

HealthyGamerGG: Talking Depression with Reckful

HealthyGamerGG: Ethics

HealthyGamerGG: Ludwig and Dr. K's Journey of Death and Consciousness

HealthyGamerGG: Tired of Work, Society, and Life... (featuring response to reprimand)

Dr. K's official reprimand by the Medical Board

Dr. Mike: Debating The Value Of Eastern Medicine (Ayurveda) | Healthy Gamer Dr. K

Critical Video by MrGirl: Dr. K - Reckless

Critical YouTube video by Koubitz: Dr. K's Hidden Agenda

The New York Times: The Gamer and the Psychiatrist

HealthyGamerGG Official Response to Reprimand on Reddit

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Comments

HustleTron9000

I can't finish this episode. I've listened to every episode until now. This episode is making me angry and sad at the same time.

Raysofmarie

Loving all the psychologist and practitioners in the comments. I have no relevant expertise, but if someone said to me, “I wake up and don’t care if I live or die most days,” I’d think, “sounds like depression.”

Daniel Richards

I think the biggest thing to me to take away from this is that Dr K has mostly flown under the radar of this kind of critique as he's fulfilling a novel gap in a burgeoning culture. It is likely true that there are many in the gaming/internet ecosystem who would do well to be introduced to concepts relating to mental health and looking after themselves, and Dr K can speak to this. The issue is that the only thing he is scored on is how that community takes his advice. He's not subject to the same scrutiny as a psychologist would be, because he is scored on what gamers perceive to be a good psychologist. The accountability isn't there as he's dispensing advice to people who arent typically able to critically analyse the advice that comes, which is enough of a power dynamic in simple one to one therapy, let alone therapy dispensed and broadcast en masse. At the end of the day he's filling a niche in a community that hasn't openly been subject to those concepts, and as such has had little to no accountability from that culture. That's why shit like this can be ignored or pushed away.

aneladgam_varelse

And I told you Dr K gives strong impression that it can’t be depression if it lasts longer than year! I see now he makes tactical disclaimers, but he then proceedes with differentiation periodic depression/not depression

Mikael Heller Sahlgren

Matt and Chris went way too soft on Dr K. That part with the depressed streamer... What the fucking hell?! Declarative statements on "real causes" on such flimsy foundations, ie with a very high risk of selling false hope... Just imagine a doctor prescribing a depressed patient Venlafaxine while repeatedly claiming it's a wonder drug that is guaranteed to cure their depression, and then two months later the patient kill themselves. That IS culpability. Yet that is to a high degree analogous to what this so called "doctor" did, the main difference being that Venlafaxine is actually proven to be better than a placebo on a population of depressed patients. But this so called doctor sold this troubled young man hope backed by... what exactly? Nothing. And when that hope failed to solidify, melted into air? Well, that's no skin of his back now is it. I found this incredibly disturbing, and the actuality of the causal impact is not the issue (who can tell what broke the camels back), it's the exploitative behavior on full display. It's the short term gains (selling hope) by risking long term detriment (hope fails to materialize). Manipulative and exploitative little cunt. I am not entirely convinced that it's perfectly ethical to play these clips on this podcast, although I understand the rationale. My issue is that the framing isn't sufficient in my view. Anyway the only episode I've had to turn off, fuck me I need therapy now. Luckily there's this online doctor I've heard so much about!

DavenPsych

Jumping on the bandwagon of psychologists (of which I am one) expressing concerns here. After listening to Dr. Ks framing of what he does with Dr Mike, the contrast with what he ACTUALLY does in conversation with the streamer was viscerally upsetting to me. It felt like he demonstrated an astonishing lack of insight into his own behavior and how it might be perceived by or impact others.

George

Uneducated fool here: very little that nobody else has covered. But what really sticks with me is, during his explanation of how what he does isn't therapy, there's something of the 'why are you punching yourself' about Dr K's tone. Stop calling me y'all.

Dada de Broglie

“almost a cliche of a power play” is odd but kind of interesting. 3:43:55

Joe Buccino

I really do listen to all episodes multiple times - I guess Chris's melodious voice and Matt's snarky comments appeal to me. ;-) But I won't be listening to this one again. It was so disturbing what K (I won't call him Dr.) does and so disgusting that the sanctions were not more severe. I might imagine criminal charges should not be out of the question. His "explanations" were shallow and hollow. I did force myself to finish the episode. I just feel so sorry for the people that really need help and are taken in by this con man. They deserve treatment and protection. I would hope that professionals in the field will ask their governing association to relook at this. I feel that harm is actually being done.

Amy

Dr. K: doctor of psychiatry and of spin! I can’t get over how manipulative he is. “Receiving a reprimand is good, actually!” Yes, because it helps people know not to trust you.

William LEGRAIN

Holy hell the wrecktful (however he spelled it) parts were horrible. Almost couldn't listen to your guys clips of it. Malpractice. It's fucked

Kelly Boyd

I’m not a therapist or psychologist but i don’t think I’ve ever heard an interview that was so blatantly exploitative of someone who was clearly in emotional and psychological pain and needed help rather than this smug narcissistic twat talking about dharma. Chris in particular was way too easy on Dr. K.

Joe Romel

I had thought of this guy as a grifter from the previous episodes, but mostly harmless. But his treatment of Reckful was ghoulish. Absolutely disgusting.

Linda Sears

I'm slowly making my way through this episode. I appreciate that Matt and Chris are discussing ethical gray areas, like whether a therapist should interact with their families and friends, who are struggling, in the way they would with their patients. My thinking is that doing so would be unethical; however, I could also see how it could be very hard not to fall into that client/therapist pattern. It seems one would have to create some strong boundaries on what one does allow and doesn't and know good therapists to refer them to instead. As for Dr. K, his over confidence and tendency to project his own view onto others is harmful. I'm not a therapist either, but I would think a good therapist would listen to the person way more than talking, especially when the person has so many traumatic experiences to work through. And this is not even considering his exploitation of Reckful by streaming this interaction live in front of many people. One of the saddest parts for me was when Reckful talked about how neat it would be to go to Japan with Dr. K. It felt like Reckful admired him and wanted him as a friend, in which case the interaction was a betrayal of him on two levels, as a friend and a therapist (regardless of what Dr. K's framing is). It seems like Dr. K just wanted to appear super smart and insightful, show off his unique perspective, boast about his background, say some magic guru words, and the spell of Reckful's unhappiness would go away.

Kyle Dun

I'm halfway through and yes, you're not wrong lads. Early on I was shocked to hear this supposedly good therapists' dangerous framing of the video game design being linked to his destiny, considering his history and vulnerable state. This whole thing is gross to be honest. Up there as one of the worst displays of conduct and ethics that DtG has covered. He should absolutely know better. I felt the whole time it was all about Dr. K trying to paint himself as the savior to his audience, to cement his persona of being a mental health maverick. Shameful.

JGraves

This is very disturbing. I’ve been a therapist for a long time and I do think that there’s this popular idea that a lot of guys like Dr. K. have that somehow when people break down and cry you really gotten through to them. But there’s something really horrifying about taking a vulnerable person and may be pushing them beyond their ability to manage their feelings. And then he sends him out into the world with those feelings. There is so much fundamental misapplication of therapeutic techniques that I don’t know what he’s like on his own, but he does not seem like he knows people or feels real empathy.

JGraves

Also, the series you were thinking of was the shrink next door which was based on a podcast about this real life case

Robert Andrews

This episode came just in time for a long run so I thought, "Yay, this should be a fun listen to take my mind off aching legs, horrible humidity, etc...". Well, that's just say it wasn't... Of course, as depressing as the content was, I appreciate the importance of highlighting vultures like Dr K.

Duncan Scrymgeour Lewis

Dr. K likes his games, whether video, mind, or semantic. His comment to Dr. Mike about mental health “equity” seems to me a simple error in selection. He has trouble thinking on his feet. The word he was searching for is “parity, which is similar to equity but not identical. Also, Dr. K has a confident, if corrupt, understanding of medical ethics. I worked for years as an epidemiologist, which finds itself in the grey areas of bioethics frequently. Dr. K. explains that ethics are codified in various legal systems although that is not what bioethicists mean when they use the term. Laws, at their best, provide directions for how to behave in certain broadly defined medical circumstances, but they can’t cover the hundreds of ethical implications (and decisions) that those laws engender when put into practice. No law will tell you whether or not to encourage an end-stage cancer patient to enjoy their remaining life or attempt one more round of chemo. The law will designate a decision-maker for a patient in a vegetative state, but absent any advance directive, the law doesn’t tell that decision-maker whether they should “pull the plug” or wait and pray for a miracle. Dr. K. describes ethics as unrelated to belief and a fairly easy system to describe. He couldn’t be more wrong, which may be why he got carried away with his fanboy moment with Reckless and, subsequently, gave terrible medical advice to a suffering gamer. I find Dr. K. to be toxically arrogant and narcissistic (though that that shouldn’t be construed as medical advice) and his description of Ayurveda riven with confirmation bias and the other hallmarks of a pseudoscience: impossible to falsify. Keep up the good work, gentlemen!

Kurt Ressler

Chris I love you but maybe when you get to heavy and emotional content you should hand over the reins to Matt.

Mandy Thompson

I’m an hour in on this one and feel sick to my stomach. What an exploitative, disgusting person.

Thewizrad

Thank you for this episode. It's a hard listen and I share in Matt's anger. I find it really difficult to hear Dr K ask such leading questions. It's the opposite of phenomenological enquiry or just genuine open-ended curiosity.

Joanna Go

I'm three hours into "Dr. K - Episode 3," and I'm honestly shocked that this man's medical license hasn't been revoked. Listening to this so-called "conversation" with Reckful was so painful. It feels clear to me that Reckful is trying to give the "right" answers to Dr. K, while Dr. K seems to already have a set idea in his head (the purpose). He doesn't seem genuinely curious about Reckful. The whole conversation feels dismissive of Reckful's real issues, as if Dr. K is just aiming for a quick and successful intervention for the stream. (Though this is just my interpretation). I'm also extremely frustrated with the amount of rhetoric Dr. K uses to justify his conduct. He's either completely unaware or incredibly manipulative and arrogant. (Not sure which one is worse...) And compared to people like Joe Rogan, he's even more dangerous because he speaks from a position of medical authority. And don't even get me started on how he speaks to his wife... I completely agree with Matthew's summary about the "show therapy" (at 2:15). Thanks, you guys, for decoding this person! More people should understand who they are dealing with.

Niels De Boer

This is one of the most manipulative guys ive ever heard. I feel bad for his wife

Sam D.

I have worked as clinical social worker in the US doing therapy for a couple decades, and I am SO glad you undertook this detailed and thorough (THOROUGH!!!) review of this guy. I know his work well, because his whole project both intrigued and really troubled me. We have a huge, huge problem in the US with access to mental health care, and it's creating conditions for people like this to arise and suck up the vulnerable into their greedy maws online.What you choose to analyze and hold under the microscope are exactly the things I would have hoped you would. I really think this is one of your tour de force episodes, in that you really did a great job, methodically walking listeners through a detailed case that accumulates force over the episode. I think this can be a really helpful resource to point people (including his own listeners) to see another angle. You took great care with the topic - a topic which needed precision and empathy (which are well on display in all of it) and it's a really effective counterweight or perspective on the influence of the Dr K's of the world. I really really appreciate what you did here- outstanding job, guys.

Tom Kerwin

As others have said, a really tough listen. As an escapee from an abusive relationship, I was internally screaming at his wife to GET OUT NOW after just that relatively tiny snippet. The constant smooth manipulation and the “one rule for special me, another for everyone else” entitlement that drips off “Dr” K. Hearing from another commenter that many psych docs have this same vibe is at the same time unsurprising and horrifying. My ex also carried a strong narrative that she was incredibly empathic and could make a great therapist. She didn’t have the terrifyingly effective “criticism bear hug” method that K deploys. I wonder how he’ll fare on the gurometer.

Noah Heck

So, commenting on the hosts comment that many people expected Chris to look like Matt, and Matt to look like Chris. As an ignorant American, I think we definitely tend to imagine all Irish people as being fair haired and pale. I would even go so far as to add that the stronger the accent, the fairer we imagine the Irish speaker to be. As a result, the fact that Chris is not actually translucent is rather jarring to my Yankees eyes.

GLORP

This episode shows that the gurometer is too narrowly focused on the big 3 IDW morons. If dr k does not get a 50/50 then it’s just not a useful metric. Same with Russell brand, although I think he scored pretty high. To me the big ones are 1. Facilitate and encourage parasocial relationships 2. Fostering disciples as being more intelligent and enlightened than the rest of the world 3. Excess profiteering 4. Messiah complex 5. Thought ending memes (whatever they’re called, cult defense mechanisms) Anyway galaxy brain and Cassandra complex are more unique to JBP and BW and are not defining characteristics of gurus. You need metrics that get more cynical and manipulative gurus like dr k

Michal Lichota

What do you guys think about dr. Mike? My girlfriend is a subscriber. I managed to talk her out of Huberman, but dr. Mike seems mostly harmless (other than she seems to have a crush on him). The clips you played actually make me think he’s actually a responsible creator in the field.

William LEGRAIN

Matt very well said, at the end, your big picture response to Dr. K was perfectly said

Alex H

I dont think i realised that Reckful had killed himself until about halfway through listening. It thought you both just kept misspeaking. Poor guy. Very obvs just from the clips how distressed he was. Unsettling hearing someone talk about prior suicide attempts with such detail and so matter of factly. Definitely should've ended the stream.

Soapy Dishwater

Obviously not nearly in the same league ethically, but I am getting Walter Freeman Lobotomobile vibes here guys. Like, Dr. K has a sales pitch he clearly wants to make, about his philosophy, his service, his business, and why people should come to him, and he's literally using a live depressed person to demonstrate it in front of an audience. He bulldozes over Reckful's previous psychiatric experience and diagnoses, builds his own little thing on top of it, and TELLS Reckful that this is the REAL solution for him. I really appreciated when Matt called out that Dr. K basically put the entire meaning of life and hope of a vulnerable person on something as risky and difficult as releasing an indie video game- it's like leaving a house standing on a toothpick. The lack of empathy really gets me. He treats people like conversational playthings.

mr beeswax

It’d be interesting to know if Dr K has actually helped or been of use to anyone…. Does he or can he speak to the streaming community in an enlightening way - I’m not sure… and what are his motives? Either way, as the boys have pointed out, there are minefields aplenty in this space.

Saksaas

This needs a trigger warning. 😑

Tasty3141

This guy reminds me of Stefan Molyneux so much. Just non stop 'just so' stories and total obsession with his own genius without any care for anybody he is talking to.

Matt Dear

JFC this is a hard a listen, wtaf. This is fucking disgusting, wth is he doing????

commutercomputer

I'm not sure will Dr. K trilogy be your magnum opus, but I'm glad that you informed people about this hypocritical asshole. I'm not sure where to begin with but my first takeaway is the hypocrisy of Dr. K and his ayawhatever medicine. In your first episodes he layed out that it's "holistic system" where you try to personalize therapy to specific invidiual. But the "therapy" sessions just showed that it's only a vehicle to push his ideas into vulnerable people with tragic results. Second observation was that K gave strong L. Ron Hubbard vibes when he talked about online hate farmers who are after him. If you just swab word hater with word suppressive person you are deep into scientology level of bad.

Tree

Ugh the Reckful interview is so sad. Dr K is so terrible with him.

Salex

Nearly finished and I there’s a few parts that remind me of interactions my friends and I have experienced with doctors. I was told a few times in my early 20s that I had generalised anxiety disorder and stress, maybe I should go dancing or do yoga, lose some weight? Cut to many many years later, it wasn’t just stress 😂 😂😂There is a horrible echo in Dr Ks dismissiveness that echoes the experience of women going to the doctor with quite serious concerns and getting advice that is woefully inappropriate, if not dangerous 🧐

Randy

He should lose his medical license. What he did is so irresponsible, unethical, dangerous, and selfish. He is a danger to his patients and his audience. Reckful would have been better off talking to Rogan, ffs.

Amy S

I think that this episode is extremely important. You both did a great job in this one!

Dries T.

I haven't read all the comments, so sorry if this has been mentioned before, but one obvious point about him passing a few IRB's: congrats to him, but that would surely only apply to whatever research they're doing, and so it wouldn't say anything about his behavior on stream, which is blatantly unethical.

Sue Fricke

The folksy ‘y’all’ is infuriating, and that is after i felt deep anger at what seemed an appalling lack of care when speaking with Reckful. The chimes of $$ being paid to Dr K whilst he seemed to bully Reckful into agreeing with him was the last straw. It’s so disheartening to see Dr K is still so celebrated online.

Daniel Malmsiø

As an M.D., I found this episode intolerable. What was most astonishing was the way Dr. K interpreted his own mistakes and shortcomings. In the medical profession, we all make mistakes—I certainly have—and I don't know any M.D. who hasn't. But then one has to be humbled by the experience, seek feedback, and change practice; one has to be better and wiser after each mistake. Dr. K. seems to be immune to criticism, which makes him a dangerous and unethical doctor.

Desma

That was so hard and so awful. I felt sick listening to how sr K played fast and loose with Reckful. Horrible.

James Lucas

Yiiiiiiikes.... I thought after p1 and 2 that he was a self help grifter who threw in the eastern stuff to distinguish his brand from the other 10,00] self help guys. This episode elevates him to theatrical narcissist and S tier guru

peta austen

the worst thing this guy does is call predatory behaviour- empathetic listening

Paul Ditta

Shaking with anger after listening to this.

Ruth Marshall

I’ve listened to some awful conversations on your podcast over the years but this interaction with Reckful was absolutely horrific. He should lose his medical license and Reckful’s family should sue him to oblivion.