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Interesting article from Mickey Inzlicht (Patreon)

Published:
2024-10-25 08:38:59
Edited:
2024-10-25 08:39:04
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2026-06
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Yes it’s another Substack but this article is free and it is from an ex-guest and talks a little bit about how they see Decoding the Gurus approach and me (Chris).

Mickey is what I regard as someone in that (increasingly rare) very reasonable side of the ‘heterodox’ pool.

The interaction described in the article regarding Dave Rubin was also one of the interactions on Twitter that maintains my faith in humanity.

I thought people on here might find it an interesting article and might have some thoughts about the position he outlines. If you didn’t listen to the interview with Mickey I also recommend looking up that episode as I think he had a lot of value to share.

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The Anti-Anti Approach

How Questioning the Critics Keeps Us Honest

Comments

Robert Andrews

Interesting to hear that Jordan Peterson was once genuinely concerned about the environment. I get what Inzlicht means by “anti-anti-woke” but not sure if it is that useful. Ultimately both those derided as woke, and those who are anti-woke, base their ideas on often dubious premises. I think for many who could be called “woke”, this might just be because there are genuine inequalities that they are trying to address, but sometimes in ways that aren’t that principled or well-thought out. As for the “anti-woke”, even when they have some valid criticisms of the woke, they often rely on bizarre rationales such as that it goes against their religion, some assumed national character, or – in the case of Peterson and Weinstein – they try to conjure up some prescriptivist morality that they claim is evolutionarily derived. As for Bari Weiss, I see that she now has some conversation with Gad Saad. I can’t bring myself to listen yet, but I am sure you will, Chris. Can you confirm whether Saad has gone right through to the other side of the woke-anti-woke horseshoe? Whereas once he and others may have laughed uproariously at claims that women or ethnic minorities may have felt unsafe on campus because of violent words, or because of costumes, or ideologies that they did not want to be voiced on campus, Gad Saad is suddenly claiming the same thing, although naturally not speaking up for the people who may have made the claims in the past? In other words, is there a hint of hypocrisy in the conversation on the part of Saad and Weiss?

aneladgam_varelse

I like Mickey Inzlicht! After your interview with him I checked out his podcast 2 psychologists 4 beers, very interesting show

Sean Power

Interesting article but I gotta say when I read an author present the word ‘woke’ as any sort of clear term that you can use to take a position on - like saying ‘I hate woke’ - I find myself checking out on the rest of what the author says. I guess kind of like how folk talked about PC in the 80’s and 90’s. It seems I. can see the people who use the term confidently as a descriptor are not whatever they mean by it, they are ‘anti-‘ it, but I am not sure what they mean by it, so can’t be sure what it means to be against it. (I’m guessing it’s not anti- anti-racism, or whatever.) I do have another thought about the word ‘woke’, which I’m not sure fits here but anyway I’ll say it. The history of the word in political use is kind of interesting. It seems to have many originally aware of the particular way a minority encounters the world and also being supportive of hearing that (i.e., awake to that, woke to it). I guess if you’re morally serious becoming that will change your behavior toward people, in and outside that minority. Not sure what’s wrong with that. And when I first heard it used it was presented as a pretty good thing, which people happily called themselves. But I usually now only hear it as a pejorative, without anything more. And that reminds me of something I noticed as a Gen X’er in the mid-2000’s when I went back to college and found myself around millennials. ‘Gay’: when I was in college, ‘gay’ meant a form of sexuality. But my millennial classmates and roommates used it to mean ‘stupid’. Huh. But they explained it had nothing to do with the other term…. (Anyway, that ‘stupid’ meaning seems to have stopped. Probably coz of woke or something)

John Sorley 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Good article, but it is kinda just saying it's good to critique arguments, or have them critiqued, even ones you happen to agree with (or yourself make, for that matter). It makes you think, keeps you right. In an ideal world that wouldn't need saying, but here we are, and it does, so on himself for saying it. Good. Stuff. 🫡

Paul Bowman

Which episode did you interview him in? I don't recall the name

Andreas Singer

I think there is an accepted common definition of the type of wokeness that traces back to critical theory and postmodernism by thinkers such as Michel Foucault: Wokeness interprets inequalities between people as a result of power differences between population groups. These population groups can be defined by demographic factors such as gender, race, body type etc. According to wokeness, the more powerful groups suppress the less powerful groups to stay powerful. There are plenty of books on this. I guess one of the more sensible ones is "The Identity Trap" by Yasha Mounk

Linda Sears

Due to our varying experiences (in person and online), I think the term “woke” has become a kind of Rorschach test that people project their individual interpretations onto, perhaps believing that it means the same thing to everyone else. Woke for one person may simply mean trying to create a more just world for all people while for others it’s a shrill, cancel culture, online and in the real world attack system out to take away their jobs or deny or defame their identities. I’m not online much, except for here, and open wokeness is neither celebrated nor enforced where I work, so I struggle to understand why it is such a bugaboo for other people. In addition, I’m much older, which means I’m pretty ignorant about what younger folks are experiencing. Each of us are experiencing this and other cultural forces from very different places and circumstances. Sometimes, I think we’d be better off understanding those differences in perspectives rather than fighting over words we may be defining differently.

KBDaxio

Thanks for the link. The article really resonates with me.

Dean Palmer

Just read the article, will listen to the episode with him! 👍