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Supplementary Material 18: The Clown Car Cometh (Patreon)

Published:
2024-11-16 01:40:49
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2024-11-16 01:47:29
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Still in the land of the free, and restocked with important new insights from his US travels, Matt is confronted with the Gurusphere's predictably depressing reaction to the election. And what's that we hear in the distance, is it a honking car?

Supplementary Material 18

00:00 Matt's American Ethnography

10:59 Eric Weinstein is waiting for the call

14:32 Huberman, Krauss, and MAGA Sycophancy

18:39 Boghossian and other would-be Intellectual Clerics of the MAGA regime

22:52 Sam Harris criticises Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, and MAGA

32:05 The Fifth Column, The Free Press and World Weary Both Sides-ing

53:19 Election Reflections: Macro and Micro Causes

01:04:40 Longer Term Trends

01:10:08 Sarah Haider and the Hip Vibe of the New Right

01:24:00 Richard Dawkins Dual Nature

01:31:08 A Plea to Sean Carroll and our Listeners

01:33:06 An important note on Bouldering

Sources

Eric's phone is not ringing

Huberman making his pitch

Krauss being a sycophant to Elon

Boghossian's lack of interest in protests in Hungary

Sam Harris Making Sense 391: The Reckoning

A Special Place in Hell: Adios Amigos: The Special Place Finale

That graph mentioned about the loss of support for incumbent regimes

Dawkins being a fool on Twitter

THe Fifth Column: #234 - Come On and Zoom! (Wagnerian Opera Edition)

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Kimberly Beer

Only a few minutes in and you Guys are making me feel better! Thx you!

Yoko Swagman

Lmao I know Chris is joking about the level of tourism that exists in Belfast, but ironically it’s the Americans of Irish heritage that are the ones who want to visit Ireland.

Brice F

Anthony Fischer leaving TFC as their producer/sometimes co-host removed the governor towards their shift towards dumb contrarian instead of smart contrarianism. He’s on blusky and very critical of the American libertarian movement (and things like the Free Press) shilling to MAGA

SHOUNAK SARKAR

Good episode boys. One thing I’m curious about Matt, is how many people you have seen openly carrying or conceal carrying guns on your American travels? Been to any gun shows or visited any gun shops? In order to get the full American experience, please fill us in non-Americans on how that’s like next time hehe 😜?

SHOUNAK SARKAR

2/ On the USA election, good job (Chris) highlighting the fact that pretty much all incumbent parties in global democracies either lost elections or won with a much reduced share like Modi’s BJP. Apparently it’s the first time it’s happened, which tells me that social media is genuinely making people deranged as u didn’t see this sort of thing after global recessions / Great Depressions of past. Also, totally agree that while there is no single reason Kamala lost, pretty sure that anti-black racism & sexism played some part too. Low info voters should be condemned for not being responsible enough to make themselves informed about what they are doing. A democracy is as good as the people in it who participate in voting and those who voted for Trump absolutely deserve the clown car show that he is bound to deliver. Hope they get it good and hard! Lastly, the fact that 75 million voters overlooked Trump’s coup attempts, extreme rhetoric and incoherent rambling is definitely an indictment on the American electorate. Anne Applebaum, Tom Nichols & JV Last have said this also; there is undoubtedly a strong market for fascism, authoritarianism and racism in America, but it’s difficult to know with accuracy how large or small that percentage is, because I also agree that not all of the 75 million affirmatively want that.

JGraves

It’s helpful to hear you guys because the level of doomerism is overwhelming. I mean the amount of stuff that people fear from the government, I guess would be kind of surprising because I don’t think they’re that motivated to do anything except to get more money and more votes. But it will be shitty. The one thing I will say that I’m super bummed about though and I am a woman so you know I’m a little biased. I’m bummed that people are once again saying that we can never have a woman president and I’ve been waiting for like my whole life for like one , but like still how long does it take people to get fucking ready for shit like that?

Helen McCallum

I feel attacked ive just booked my holiday to Belfast next year!!

Ciaran Mullan

Belfast is a huge tourist destination!

Jacqueline

Hey a lot of us here do not hate immigrants, and almost 50% of us did not vote for hate! I think even many of the MAGA cult wouldn't own up to hating immigrants if you pressed them on it. Like they would just say something like "I hate the criminals or the ones who don't work." They just love having a nameless faceless enemy to unite around, but if they met an undocumented person face to face they would try to play it off as "Nothing personal".

Daniel Hansen

I would like a subscription feed-whatever-you-call-it, that i could paste into my podcast player of choice… like everyone’s favorite guru over at non-zero offers.

Tom Kerwin

About 25 years ago, I booked onto a tourist bus to go look at the sites of The Troubles. The “bus” was a small car, and my friend and I were the only two customers. 😂

Protagonist Science

Very good episode, especially the point of 'pre-modern' syncophancy. I have written since some time how we are sliding back into a new dark age og myth, manipulation and magical thinking... because of our broken info sphere. Can't wait for you guys to get to see my book which is with the publisher now! Explaining how we got here

Kgar

Thank god for the sanity provided by Chris and Matt. Glad you’re enjoying your trek thru the US. I’m curious Matt if you have a favorite burger, or a favorite way to dress your burger? Here in south Texas I think mine is the Whataburger. Mustard. Pickle. Onion. Jalapeno. I probably eat a burger once a month -or even once every two months. But I’m an old fart trying to keep from being one of the overweight majority! Carry on. Your analysis and good humor is a welcome respite from our clown car political show

Jen

Thanks for indulging in American politics. I feel better hearing from you. Matt’s advice to keep our chins up really helped too. You guys do great work and it means a lot to me. 💚🇺🇸🤞🏼

Nina Davies

Seeing as we are all running on vibes and not actually living in any real ecological, economic or social context, my carefully considered feels are that Sarah Haider is giving off Unity Mitford vibes.

Steve Alexander

I do enjoy Chris’ accent, but I cannot tell whether he’s talking about all the tourists in Belfast or all the terrorists. Hopefully the former, but you never know.

Linda Sears

The temptation to listen and not grade is strong.

HRobbins

Glad you guys mentioned Boghossian and his self promotion for secretary of education, but you didn't mention that Musk himself tweeted "yeah" in response." I just hope to whatever God there is that we don't wake up one day and find him actually as secretary of education. I don't think so, but with this lunacy who knows?

Pedro

Putting my “bias” at the top that I am the parent of a trans adult who has been absolutely thriving in all aspects of his life since starting to transition … I think you guys have a bit of a blind spot with Jesse Singal in particular, and also to some extent with Helen Lewis. My question is: How do you not see that these discussions about trans athletes and bathrooms etc. are just used as stalking horses for the elimination of trans people’s rights by the zealots farther to the right of Singal and Lewis et al.? Sure, these topics can be argued in some kind of an airless, intellectual sphere, but if the real world implications aren’t fully engaged, it’s serving the forces of intolerance, or worse. And pundits like Singal end up being useful idiots at best … With that said, I do love the pod outside of this blind spot (we all have them) but I hope you read this and consider this perspective.

Tobbe lobben

I listen to the Sam Harris podcast. He whines about trans people and is politics. What is wrong with that man?

Brendan G

Where do you guys get most of your news from these days? I confess to not loving main stream media of any kind, and I mostly watch Secular Talk with Kyle Kulinski or Breaking Points (although I dislike Sagar and Emily) for Krystle Ball and to a lesser extent Ryan Grim. Kyle can come across as a bit pompous but he's overall my most trusted source of information.

Brendan G

I also genuinely like Sam Harris and have been a listener of his since 2016 although most of the critiques that DTG has of him are valid, especially his blindspots regarding his "friends" like Murray, Eric Weinstein, Konstantin, etc

Monica B.

That first Sarah Haider clip (disclaimer: I have never heard of her before this and that feels just fine…shades of red scare indeed) reminds me of when super attractive people go to a party or event and are like ‘omg everyone there was just so NICE’. I mean, I’m sure they were hahaha. Like…bright youngish women at whatever the hell this goofy conference was are being catered to? Ya don’t say! In retrospect I see several group interactions from my own youth much more clearly now than I did then. It’s bleak in the patriarchy y’all : /

Bobby Wayward

“Messy artistic chaos” made me gag

Linda Sears

I may be in the minority here, but I’d go to Belfast and take the Troubles tour.

Heath Lancaster

An amusing fact about Kansas City is that most of the city isn’t even in the state of Kansas, but is in Missouri

Mark Francis

I hope Matt can put together a book review and take aways from Tuchman’s A distant Mirror. It’s the time period that is subconsciously romanticized, a world ruled by metaphysics, kings and barons… I am looking forward to hearing DTG thoughts on Yarvin… I have never been able to understand Sam Harris’s ambiguity to metaphysics, a belief in metaphysics is like a gateway to illiberalism and a yearning for this past World. Liberal democracy rejected metaphysics and is underpinned by the STEM subjects and a robust rule of law that did not exist pre 15 th century….. Sam Harris’s view of metaphysics is quite strange and probably points to some illiberal blind spots to his arguments. I find it hard to believe his fears that the IRS may give him a hard time??? incumbency was probably the heaviest factor unfortunately it feels that liberal democracy was the incumbent and not the Dems…

Reinert

I'd love an interview episode with Sean Carroll! Let's manifest it

Kyle Dun

Disappointing from Sarah Haider. I'm also perplexed by this description of the democrats/left. Where is this perception coming from. I feel like if you keep asking people for examples, they would have almost none.

Erquirk

Hey Matt - I’m very interested in what you’re reading about the middle ages, care to share? Also, Chris, just fyi, St. Louis would be viewed with disdain by true grits connoisseurs, it’s far far too north

Nancy Hale

Thanks to C&M for pointing out the global trends with post-pandemic voter responses to sitting administrations. A reminder of the cyclic natures of regimes in democratic republics. In recent memory with US presidential elections, it seems that the strategy of linking the current admin to voters’ individual economic woes has origins in the 1980 election. Reagan famously asked voters, “Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?” And here we are.

Stephen Cromwell

Bouldering the day after a hard limit session is fine if you take it easy and reign in the urge to get back on the hard stuff. A bit of slab and endurance maybe.

Roland Weber

Thanks for this episode! I was a bit worried that it might have more election-related content than I could stomach, but it turned out to be perfectly ok, entertaining, and enlightening. I hadn't heard yet that it's the adminstrations from the covid times that are being voted out of office world-wide. Matt, don't be shy about reaching out to Sean Carroll. In one of his AMAs, he said he's fine with being invited to other podcasts. As long as the inviters are fine with getting "no" as an answer. Sean has a time budget for podcasting activities, and most of that budget goes into producing his own. But maybe we're lucky and he's in the mood to come visit DtG.

Chris Wishy

Matt, I heard one of the presenters on Americast (BBC podcast) who is a history buff also compare the new Trump administration with the Tudor’s court several times in a recent episode. Episode called ‘The Trump Whisperers’. Horrific stuff.

CrystalJade

Poor Eric. Always the bridesmaid!

Jesse Rimler

Matt handwaving the vast category of mexican regional music as goofy ‘la cucaracha’ oompahpah is classic. What is Australian regional music like?

Linda Sears

Yes to a Sean Carroll crossover episode!!

Ad Tastic

I've been a tourist in Belfast. It's fine. Kansas City is better. Definitely better food.

DeAnn Gregory

Great episode! Here in the US, patriots are still reeling from this disastrous election. A gut punch, no joke. Putin's installed regime are classic bullies picking on the weakest kids. Real 4th grade vibes here. And the serfs cheer on.

ketracel-white 🧁

right.. i mentioned this to your traveling companion, matt! that the mexican immigrants do so much of the hard work in this country.. i don't know why some despise them. i also wonder what all the perfectly manicured lawns and landscapes of greater suburbia will look like once all the workers are deported. the boomer owners sure as shit won't be doing it and any of the companies remaining will be "too expensive" :p

Devin Poore

Chris, someday you will see the light when it comes to Bernie. Until then, I hope you enjoy your universal healthcare providing, public transit investing advanced democracy. Because that sounds terrible and we in America are not jealous at all about any of that stuff.

Erik Fast

I've been following Sean Carroll for years. He's done interviews on podcasts much smaller than Decoding the Gurus, including on DTG-adjacent podcasts like Tim Nguyen's. My guess is that if you guys invite him on there's a good chance he would accept.