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Supplementary Material 19: Critic-O-Rama with extra transdimensional alien demons (Patreon)

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In this truly epic-length supplementary material, we spin 70 critical paradigms simultaneously while trying to avoid the wily tricks of some hostile transdimensional forces. Do we succeed? Join us to find out!

Supplementary Material 19

00:24 Introduction: More American Insights(!)

13:12 Peterson Orbiters: The Pageau Brothers

17:41 Pageau & Rod Dreher: Aliens are transdimensional spirits

25:56 Pageau: Alex Jones was Right!

27:01 Peterson & Pageau's Lazy Christian Apologetics

44:17 Joe Rogan: Fuck Ukraine!

56:28 Peter Thiel has questions about Vaccines and Autism

01:03:20 Big Rogan's CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN against Flint Dibble

01:09:07 Nassim Taleb vs. Colin Wright: Seed Oils

01:23:10 Taleb and Squid Ink Flounces

01:32:40 Conspirituality & the issues with extended analogies

01:50:27 Leftist Millenarianism?

01:56:06 Cultish Spectrums

02:02:34 Critical Feedback: Decoding the Decoders

02:08:30 You were not allowed to talk about this!

02:21:56 Signing Off

Sources 

Free Press- Peter Thiel and the Triumph of the Counter-Elites

Jonathan Pageau - Living in Wonder - with Rod Dreher

Jordan Peterson - Beyond Dawkins | Jonathan Pageau | EP 496

Taleb's Twitter Rampage with Colin Wright on Seed Oils

Consumer Reports: Do Seed Oils Make You Sick?

Conspirituality: Brief: Post-Election Online Survivor Group Dynamics

Be Scofield: A Critical Review of Amanda Montell's "Cultish"

A Public Letter to Joe Rogan from Flint Dibble

Joe Rogan Experience #2231 - Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards

Kyiv Independent: Ukrainians react to Joe Rogan’s rant on Ukraine

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Comments

Purple_polish

Just woke up and saw the episode notification, read the subtopic details and I am truly excited about listening to this. Something for everyone!

jodcr

Love Matt’s commentary on America. I don’t feel like enough people whether in America or abroad fully appreciate just how heterogenous and strange it is here.

JGraves

Aww! I’m next-door, right outside of Detroit. It’s a great town. I’m glad you saw it.

Jen

Thank you, I needed that! 💚🚽

James P.

G'date mate, and greetings (or should I say "where's the shitter") from America! Matt is absolutely right about the lack of a national character here. America is a huge, diverse country. People bemoaning the loss of a shared identity are really lamenting the dissolution of boundaries. It's not that the farmer in the south and the barista in L.A. have drifted away from their shared national identity, it's that they now regularly see just how different they are and have always been

Mike

I appreciate that Matt is visiting non-tourist spots like St. Louis, Detroit, and Pittsburgh., in addition to the national parks and major cities. Also, the observation that USA’s tolerance for a wide range of individual expression and its tolerance for raging egotists and whackos are two sides of the same coin. You take the good with the bad!

Emma

Woohoo! I've got hours of housework ahead of me! This is the only thing to cheer me up!

Kgar

Sounds like you’re missing out on Tejas! Plenty of bathrooms here. Have you never heard of Buccee’s? 😃👍

Kgar

Very good observation Matt. Incredibly diverse cultures.

James P.

Someday you guys will look at Terence McKenna and see that so many of the nodes in the modern internet guru network have tendrils extending out from him. So much of this style of psychedelic millenarian, UFO-as-transdimensional-psychic-object, scientific skeptic masquerading as rationalism, up is actually down at the same time, techno-teleological, polymathic, ability to monologue for hours on end, was very clearly pioneered by McKenna in the 80s and 90s. The thing is, I can see how it was fun and how intoxicating it must've been at that time. It was harmless. But it's so interesting to see how it was co-opted and distorted into its modern varia in the form of Petersen, Pageau, Rogan, Hancock, and others. Even Harris in both style and substance echos McKenna. I've heard him say that he traveled to hear him speak in the 90s , and that he had "one of the most beautiful minds", even though he was mostly full of shit. A deep dive into McKenna would help to contextualize much of what we see coming from these jokers today.

Ben Godek

Peterson and Pageau are just repeating basic Christian apologetics (as always). There’s no evidence of how most of the disciples died until stories that are told hundreds of years later, for example.

James P.

Glad to hear you guys cover matt remski. He has been grating on me this year. He has been (understandably) deranged by Isreal Palestine, and it's starting to poison everything. I got into an argument with one of his followers on Instagram, of all places. She was a new age crunchy white lady living in Arizona (I looked at her profile). She commented on a post Matt shared having something to do with tim walz, and she essentially called walz an eco terrorist and colonialist because he authorized a pipeline through sacred native land as governor of Minnesota. Matt replied, like "wow can you please share more, I'm so interested" She links him to a far left partisan, polemicist Instagram page, to a heavily sensationalized and edited video of the transgression. Matt was like "thank you so much for sharing, I never knew..."etc It pissed me off, because it was the same puritanical left wing sanctimony that was asymmetrically shitting on the dems all thru the biden presidency. I told them both that this was a relatively insignificant thing to be fixated on given the stakes, that he had a very progressive record on environment, and that the video was factually misleading in several ways. And that these kinds of online litigations of petty grievance are profoundly unhelpful if the goal is not to have a trump admin in 2025. Just imagine the pipelines, folks, tremendous pipelines, the biggest. He responded with anger at me for berating her for sharing this groundbreaking dirt on walz, and that he appreciated her educating him on this trauma walz inflicted on the native Americans, and did i really think telling them that this was a bad look, was useful? Matt seems like a smart and sweet guy, but he is drunk on marginalization. He has never heard a victimhood narrative he didn't like, and it's highlighting some major blind spots.

Ryan Booker

Chris’ Captain Kirk still…reigns… supreme. 🖖 Now where’s the bloody dunny.

ji

Great listen doing chores and cooking. Rogan really is pathetic and listening to that leftist talking about cults is almost enough to turn me full MAGA.

Olexi Kondrat

I haven't listened to the full Conspirituality episode, but from the bits that you included, I got a feeling that Matthew Remick talks more about similarities in social dynamics, rather than an exact analogy to a cult? (Checked the episode name and it's "Brief: Post-Election Online Survivor Group Dynamics") You can argue that a cult survivors analogy is a bit too inflammatory, but maybe the reason that there's no well-defined stand in for a cult is that the cult is not the point and it's primarily about group tensions.

Chomagerider

Man... I really came 180 degrees on JRE. Fuck this idiot. Interesting to hear he's already setting up a backdoor in case trump fucks up. It'll be because "they" sabotage his administration.

Duncan

There actually is an RCT that compares jumping without a parachute to jumping with a parachute: Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma when jumping from aircraft: randomized controlled trial BMJ 2018; 363 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k5094 (Published 13 December 2018) by Robert W Yeh et al. "Conclusions Parachute use did not reduce death or major traumatic injury when jumping from aircraft in the first randomized evaluation of this intervention. However, the trial was only able to enroll participants on small stationary aircraft on the ground, suggesting cautious extrapolation to high altitude jumps. When beliefs regarding the effectiveness of an intervention exist in the community, randomized trials might selectively enroll individuals with a lower perceived likelihood of benefit, thus diminishing the applicability of the results to clinical practice." NB: Be careful if attempting to extrapolate the findings to higher altitudes.

commutercomputer

While I had heard the Rogan clip before it still put my blood to boil. It also made me think that why these ultra masculine manosphere influencers lacks all the masculine virtues. For instance courage and standing up to for the weak are classical masculine virtues, but you will never see these assholes actually doing these things. Instead Rogan blames the victim, while being scared shittless.

Koidestroyer

A small reminder that decoders are not perfect. On the seed oil saga Matt mentions "people have been consuming seeds for millenia and seeds have oil" which is the exact same type of bad argument Taleb makes about parachutes. People eating full seeds that contain oil is a very different endeavor than using a cup of oil (which is 1kg of seeds!) in your cake, or to fry your taters. I have no dog on the seed oil fight, just pointing at a bad argument.

Tom Kerwin

Lovely stuff - accompanied me through some irritating DIY tidying up the mess a plasterer made. One note on the NNT bit - you thought he was referring to information asymmetry, but I’m pretty sure he’s referring to outcome asymmetry. That is, if a game has a 95% chance of a small upside but a 5% chance of a fatal downside, you don’t want to play that game. Especially not repeatedly. Doesn’t change the assessment that he’s being a massive dick as usual. But I guess he’s trying to say that if there’s a minuscule risk that seed oils are harmful it’s prudent not to take that risk. His Lindy Effect principle would probably have it that humans have eaten butter for millennia, and seeds for millennia … but processed seed oils are “new” and therefore should be considered risky until proven otherwise. Thing is, the way you apply Lindy seems to be driven by assumptions and a biased interpretation of history …

Shug

These sorts of gurus remind me that my father was really into Edgar Cayce, a guru of the early 20th C. Check out his Wikipedia page.

Jen

I really loved Matthew and suddenly couldn’t listen anymore. It’s been a while for me. Thanks for this description, it is helpful to hear.

Mark Francis

Joe Rogan clearly came across geopolitics last Tuesday. The Eastern European countries begged to join NATO to get protection from Russia. Besides that, Russia talked about joining NATO and the EU back in the mid 2000’s…. to join it would of required an end to their oligarchs and a policy shift to the liberal package. Which would of given the kremlin access to all the warm water ports, markets and security guarantees they desire. And ironically, all without having to fire a shot

Mark Francis

Has anyone read Hitlers Mosters, a supernatural history of the third reich by Eric Kurlander? I just started reading it, the parallels to what today’s guru’s believe in and spout about are uncanny.

Da Jay SwIzzle

Loving the section on Rogan and Ukraine - many Americans, and especially those in media and politics, suffer from a rubric of American Exceptionalism where the rest of the world is reduced to NPCs and even a figure like Putin has no real agency since in their narratives all his decisions rest on a single input: American action/inaction. Putin only exists as a function to explain whether the current US president is "weak" or "strong" and decides whether to invade ONLY on this basis. I also think more broadly, and even among more nuanced American thinking, there is a kind of Great Power-itis that infects everything. You can see it in Russian thinking too. It's the same thinking thats behind every Imperial Power really - but I think Rogan, the foreign policy establishment and many normal Americans consider themselves a Great Power in their region and that Russia is a Great Power in *their* region. A lot of the American discussion on this which is more sympathetic to Russia has this unstated assumption at core: Great Powers have the most power, and so countries situated next to Great Powers should bend to the axis of the Great Power on their doorstep, and if they don't, it's entirely appropriate for the Great Power to "take action". As a citizen of a middle power, Canada, with roots in Finland and the Baltics, I resent this Imperial Thinking. What if maybe America and Russia *shouldn't* have interfered in Chechnya, Grenada, Moldova, Panama, Belarus, Nicaragua, Ukraine, Colombia, Georgia, Argentina, or Afghanistan and Afghanistan?? Also as a Canadian: frustrating to see red pilled Canadians repeating this Logic of Empire as if it's sound realpolitik and not a moral and imaginative failure to simply accept it without challenge. But hey, we're busy syncing with the American hive mind now so I get it.

Louis

Great episode guys

Da Jay SwIzzle

Also blocked by taleb - GMO debate. Lol

Brink

According to Chris, Matthew Remski was comparing leftists and liberals to people who left cults. But I didn't read him that way at all. I saw him comparing communities experiencing trauma. The fact that one of those communities consists of ex-cult members was incidental to the point he was making: namely that members of traumatized communities will experience trauma differently from one another.

Neil vdp

I prefer to comment purely to join in some fun. This is partly because it can just suck too much time up. Now that I say that though, when a call for reviews came out a while back, I spent probably 1.5hrs writing one that I thought was really funny. Unfortunately, I think I might have said something slightly offensive and it never was posted. I’m annoyed, I was looking forward to s sharing the fun! Anyway, one of the points of criticism was one that also struck me a while back. Now that it’s been brought up, I’ll weigh in. It’s in regards to the public feeling that things are taboo and that they can’t be discussed. The lamented censorship (often from the right) that you can’t say certain things. I think Matt and Chris have glazed over this. I take your point Matt, that it’s a given that there are always norms within social circles. And I appreciate the counter points made on the podcast. It’s easy to slip into the algorithm, and get a view that is skewed and missing things. I think I’ve shifted back (from being more concerned about it to less concerned) as a result of this podcast. While it’s other online content, algorithms etc that got me further along to being concerned, it is also rooted in personal experience. I think that socially, taboo’s have changed. I feel like they’ve strengthened on the left. I could be wrong, but I completely understand the narrative that people who have defected from the left use. I think, even in country Australia, there is more black and white thinking and pressure to conform, and I now bite my tongue on certain topics. I discuss them very selectively. I do this because I’ve actually previously been very open and vocal, and it hasn’t gone well. I think it’s because people are moralising political views more now. When I disagree with people now, it’s not just viewed as a difference in opinion, it’s viewed (more than previously) as evidence to consider that maybe I’m just more wrong/evil than they thought. Maybe this was always the way, but my sense is that this has changed. FYI - this has taken me 45mins 😂. It’s still not decent quality. This is why I don’t weigh in!

Kerena

Hello! How long is Matt in Pittsburgh?

Tree

Pretty sure Thiel knows damn well that vaccines dont cause autism.

Frank Lantz

Fantastic episode. I really appreciate the work you put into these. Well done.

Catherine Crute

Wonderful episode, this saved in in the 2 hour queue for passport control at JFK

Jean-François Melançon

Chris's comments about Joe Rogan being weak and paranoid is spot on. Most of the opinions he espouses can be traced to insecurities he has, specifically, those of being a pot smoker who lives a very sheltered life.

Tom Adams

If Chris and Matt made short vids for tik tok or instagram, with a 20 second clip of Rogan (or whoever) talking their rubbish, then a 40 second analysis/deconstruction/takedown, I think they'd be so popular, esp with the demographic who are most persuaded by these gurus' nonsense.

Bernt

The Bouldering injury was inevitable. At least your finger tendons are still intact. I suggest getting on a rope and saving those old bones and tendons. Leave to bouldering to the 20 something year-olds who still feel indestructible

Alex A

At 2 hr 12 min or so Chris brings up Sam Harris’ mention of “woke” ideas being taught in elite private schools and sort of scoffed at it, like “well that’s not representative of all schools in America”. I think the issue is that future shakers and movers of American industry, policy, and diplomacy are coming out of these institutions. Like it or not, what gets taught to kids in Oklahoma doesn’t have the same impact as what is taught to kids at elite prep schools, which are effectively feeders for Ivy League colleges, and so on. A minor point, but something that may not be obvious to a non-American.

Dial-1-2-enter-in-2-diaLOGOS

I agree on the the argument against Peterson and Pageau. They have a ridiculous way of reasoning. I was taken a bit back by Chris usage of the Jonestown folks as an example of someone who were willing to die because of their beliefs. Though I am sure that is the case for some, I have also understood that there was a lot of coercion there as well.

Matt Dear

jesus fucking christ Rogan is a fucking moron

Joanna Go

I'm glad that with you guys, no one is safe! 😉 Not even the friends from the Conspirituality Podcast! ;) ;)

Nancy Hale

Belated 2 cents on Matthew Remski post-election meditation. I agree that trying to find a strict 1:1 analogy between a cult and some election-related entity (Dems, MAGA, etc.) just falls apart. But a direct analogy may not be what Remski intended? Rather, I think Remski is operating here a bit more on vibes, to use a guru-related term. He finds some parallels with election responses in lefty spaces and cult survivor online communities and runs with it. Perhaps without realizing that listeners could extrapolate the religious cults to political concepts. Again, maybe he meant a direct analogy, maybe not. Unfortunately it resulted in confusion. It’s healthy that Chris & Matt feel comfortable offering critique to historically similarly aligned podcasters. Collegial critique is customary in their world of academia, and I hope the Conspirituality team accept the commentary with openness.

Subodh Kafle

Minor thing but "paleocons" don't really have anything to do with seed oils lol. They aren't conservatives who do paleo diets, they're a strain of American conservatism that is typically contrasted with neocons. Paleocons are generally considered to be more focused on social conservatism and skeptical of the interventionism that neocons support.

Kimberly Beer

I can’t get enough of your Joe Rogan small minded analysis. :)

Debra Hotmer

Once again, Matt and Chris answer the question -“ is it possible to be in love with two people at the same time?”

RobotRouge

My main concern in buying a house is demon infestation.