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Supplementary Material 20: Stolen Valor, Based Murder, and Eric Weinstein's Phonecall Problem (Patreon)

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2024-12-27 04:25:50
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In this end-of-year supplementary material, we unleash the hounds of war, battle through the discourse, and emerge alive but bloody and battered on the other side. Enlist now and join the fight.

Supplementary Material 20

00:00 Introduction and Ethnographic Insights

01:38 Matt's Observations from Washington DC

05:50 Smithsonian Museums and Star Wars Memorabilia

07:48 Lego Creations and Gacha Collectibles

12:13 Social Media and Blue Sky 'Culture'

13:29 Matt's Contribution: Eric Weinstein's UFO Speculations

21:21 Graham Linehan, Andrew Doyle, Jordan Peterson & Recognising Past Errors

23:18 Jordan Peterson's Reflections on Vaccination

28:59 Huberman's Upcoming Vaccine Series

30:52 Taylor Lorenz and Stochastic Terrorism

32:31 The Hypocrisy of Glorifying Violence

36:29 The Problem with Political Violence

43:48 Tim Kennedy's Exaggerated Military Stories

55:09 Tim Kennedy's Response to Criticism

01:07:37 Prebunking Criticisms

01:17:20 Shane Smith at Vice is NOT A CONSPIRACY GUY

01:21:27 Final Thoughts on Populism and Vibes-Based Reasoning

01:25:18 Outro

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peta austen

the right have been murdering abortion providers for almost 50 years

August

Not sure if either of you knew, but the reason the buildings are "mid rise" is because no building is allowed to be built taller than the Washington moment. fun fact!

Randy

Chris, off topic, and sorry if you addressed this and I missed it, but any thoughts about Kneecap?

Milquetoast Ramen

The time and energy Eric and Brett must put into devising strategies via these tweets and others to get into the new close knit circle is probably mind-boggling given Brett is on Elon’s radar having been blocked and possibly knows Eric’s relation to Brett. That latest one to Vivek ending with “Dance with me” was a new level of cringe

Ryan Booker

The mention of “Watchers on the Wall” reminded me that there were still people who thought Daenerys was the hero despite her being hinted at and then outright shown as being an unstable psychopath since episode 1. 🤣

Chris Clark

Taylor Lorenz- what an airhead. Celebrating politically meaningless violence that will do nothing to further the cause of healthcare for all. It just gives the right more of an excuse to demonise advocates of socialised healthcare. Utterly vacuous foghorn of a nothjngburger “journalist”. 0/10. Depressing.

Chris Clark

“It reminds me of Robin Hood in the 14th century” yea but we’re not in the 14th century you bellend. Although I’m sure Yarvin wishes we were.

Chris Clark

Yarvin is obvs v correct though. We’re really provincial now. I just wish I was there “back int’ day” of medieval non provincial 14th century England. Public beheadings/torture/short life expectancy/high rates of child mortality etc.

Ad Tastic

Americans hate private health insurance because they never had to use the NHS

Ad Tastic

American medical care is actually very good. World leading in most cases. Better than Australia and the UK IMHO. Yes it's expensive and they don't cover everybody, and that's a problem. But America's poor life expectancy outcomes are mostly because they have high levels of obesity, they eat bad food, they get less exercise, the work longer hours, they take shorter vacations, and they have an inclination to go around shooting each other quite a lot.

Brink

RE: the Vice interview segment Chris and Matt didn't seem to be aware that Shane Smith wasn't just a journalist at Vice. In fact, he was one of its cofounders (along with Gavin McInnes, who later went on to found the neofascist Proud Boys). I agree with Matt that the important spectrum here is not the right/left one but the establishment/anti-establishment one. With the recent rise of populism across the world, this spectrum is increasingly the one that matters, especially if you're trying to understand people's motivations. Just look at the merger of the Trump and RFK Jr spheres.

Maytree

I'm listening to the Tim Kennedy portion and I'm not sure anybody mentions what the podcast is that is criticizing Tim Kennedy.

Linda Sears

This helped me get through house cleaning for guests. Eric’s admonitions about how experts should be given resources and transport was pure guru gold. Thanks for all you do, Matt and Chris.

Professor Matt

Just a heads up I’m in NYC and up for a meet-up if anyone’s about. Chris will post a dedicated thread IF he can remember

DJM

Let us know if you are ever in Boston!

Stephen McGlinchey

I haven't found bluesky to be "scoldy" or "fingerwaggy" , but one big disadvantage it has is that when Maga starts eating itself, it doesn't happen on bluesky

Kimberly Beer

Sorry I missed you in DC! That’s where I’m from!

Par 🇨🇦

The audacity of Tim Kennedy claiming he didn’t get his purple heart because he’s bad a paperwork. Absurd. Especially given he wrote an entire book

Frank Lantz

Washington DC is famously like Paris!

Kelley

Re: the convo about American health insurance- you guys are so so off base here. You’re conflating healthcare and health insurance. Americans are angry at health insurance, not healthcare. And it’s absolutely not just the “activist left” that aren’t sorry the ceo died, this is one of the few things that crosses political boundaries. The real divide here is the class divide, which is why you see corporate media utterly baffled by the support Mangione is getting. I don’t think you understand how bad health insurance is in this country.

Kgar

Speaking of lab leak, Shi from Wuhan virology institute published recently in Nature. Again, not a lab leak. On the latest TWiV, the hosts had a brief giggle at the mention of Bret W. Not worth looking up but worth a giggle 😆

Kelley

Are the hosts honestly calling what Taylor Lorenz did “stochastic terrorism”? On the same level as what Tucker Carlson does to immigrants or trans people? In some misguided centrist quest, you’ve essentially said that CEOs (and really we’re talking fortune 100 CEOs), people making tens of millions of dollars every year of the backs of exploited workers and denied claims, those people are a group that could experience violence as a result of stochastic terrorism. You can’t look a situation like this and ignore the massive power imbalance. “Taylor said the same thing Tucker said, so that’s the same thing” no, it’s really not. When libs of tiktok tweets about some trans teacher, that teacher gets fired, or they get death threats. Hospitals get bomb threats because they’re accused of mutilating children. I guarantee you CEOs are not in danger because of Taylor.

Chomagerider

Let me get this straight: you know EVERY random despicable person on the interwebs...but you don't know "this Shane Smith guy"? How is this possible????

Josh Chang

Next time you come out to DC I will give you my spiel on why you should be a Bayesian if you work on item response theory

Tobbe lobben

Weird how you almost make bluesky sound worse than Twitter because it try to keep a good tone hahaha

Emily

Respectfully, I disagree with the points made about the reaction to Mangione. Every society makes choices about what behaviours are considered antisocial. I think that Americans across the political spectrum are starting to feel that the health insurance industry functions in a way that’s antisocial. For example, under Thompson’s leadership UHC implemented an AI system that denies ~50% of claims approved by doctors. Hannah Arendt wrote of “desk murders”: people who facilitate death and/or violence against innocents from administrative positions. The general population has watched loved ones suffer (and die) after being denied healthcare coverage despite paying into an insurance plan. People have to haggle with insurance companies while battling illness and disability. It might not radicalize them to the degree where they assassinate an insurance CEO, but it’s enough for a lot of them to be indifferent to Thompson’s death or supportive of Mangione. The grim reality is that there are people who would still be alive if their healthcare hadn’t been denied. State-based systems of accountability are designed to prevent violence by creating a peaceful path for justice. These systems have let Americans down by allowing insurance companies waste precious time denying claims or deferring acceptance. There’s also a price tag on litigation making it inaccessible to most people with medical bills.

Trees

I think Destiny's response to Sean Smith was actually not that good. The issue is that he immediately jumps into trying to rebut what he thinks Smith said, but what Smith actually said was largely incoherent. As a result Destiny's response is kind of generic and might come off as evasive to the ignorant or vaccine skeptical. Would have been more effective asking a follow-up question like "Are you saying that Fauci recently went before the Senate and talked about COVID vaccines causing heart attacks or there being an unexplained increase in heart attacks?"

Fake Chuck

Loving Eric's description of government assembling a "crack team" to confront the "urgent issue" that is indistinguishable from a generic movie plot. He just wants to be a real-life Jeff Goldblum in Independence Day.

David Noble

Question: If PIERS MORGAN were to die... do you think you would feel... maybe just the slightest little bit of joy?

oh shizzzzz

GOD DAMMIT MATT, SHANE OWNS VICE!