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Supplementary Material 21: The emergency snake, thought = secularised prayer, and Love and War (Patreon)

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2025-01-10 03:04:16
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It's 2025 and the Gurusphere, sadly, will not stop so we are here to examine some depressing crossovers. Specifically, the bro-optimiser Andrew Huberman met the chaos dragon Jordan Peterson, while the love bomb Lex Fridman finally interviewed Zelensky. Bret meanwhile is worried about PsyOps...

Supplementary Material 21

00:00 Introduction and Farewell to America

01:43 Memorable Encounters and Experiences

03:48 Oldering & the Destruction of the Self

08:35 The American Understander Issues his Verdict

12:07 The Pageau Brothers, Jesus' Laugh & The Emergency Snake

19:01 Bryan Johnson has concerns about Vaccines

21:48 The High IQ Crowd and Trump's Greenland Plans

27:44 The PsyOps Cyclops Strikes Again

37:15 Huberman X Peterson: Optimising Christiantiy

39:22 Secret Prayers and Bible Conversations

43:34 Thougt = Secularised Prayer

48:56 Huberman's Intelligent Design argument for God

55:49 Christian Optimising Stack

01:07:56 Marc Andreessen on Vigor, Pride and Achievement

01:13:30 Faux Heterodoxy

01:19:24 Plain Steaks are the best!

01:24:47 Jordan Peterson's Diet Struggles

01:32:25 Lex Fridman's Interview with Zelensky

01:37:52 Lex plugs Rogan's comedy club

01:41:09 Elon Musk and Trump are anti-corruption!

01:44:27 Critique of Lex Fridman's Interview Style

01:46:07 Lex's dream and Russia's security guarantees

01:53:25 Lex's Strategic Naivety

02:05:12 Lex reads A LOT

02:11:40 Lex and Putin predictions

02:12:39 Lex will endure the attacks against him

02:14:56 Wrapping Up & Patreon Love Bomb

Links

Chris' thread on Lex and his wounded bird pose

Huberman Podcast- Dr. Jordan Peterson: How to Best Guide Your Life Decisions & Path

Lex Fridman Podcast- Volodymyr Zelenskyy: Ukraine, War, Peace, Putin, Trump, NATO, and Freedom | Lex Fridman Podcast #456

The Free Press: Bryan Johnson: How Not to Die in 2025

Matthieu Pageau's thread on the Emergency Snake

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Comments

collapsing

Please please stop doing (?North) Right Wing Americans for a while ….please…can’t take much more self help , self actualisation, shining city on hill , faux friendliness, guns n bibles hypocrisy . Can’t we find some good old miserable Europeans / (or Aussies/NZ) palate cleansers- what about a Russian- have you done Dugin yet? Remember how refreshing Zizek was….

collapsing

I love Matt’s observation- ‘it’s like they’ve all rediscovered Fascism’

Nico

I feel that with every new release of this shitfuckery everything is getting more and more surreal. Is it me or others feel the same?

Allan Malcolm McPherson

I think my favorite part of thus episode was the clip of Huberman rattling on about amino acids in the gut and Jordy's piping in with an enthusiastic "sure!". That's something that is clear and obvious unlike wether or not fire is a predator...good grief

Roland Weber

Lex is really testing the limits of cringe.

Lucy

Query for Professor B: in your American travels, did you bump up against online sports gambling (FanDuel, DraftKings, etc.)? Doesn’t seem like it’s going to end in anything good.

Ymirsdreams

Trying to get Zelenskyy to speak Russian is so insanely tasteless and rude it boarders on a hate crime.

Ant_tithesis

So glad you cover Lex so we don't have to download his podcast and listen to how vapid he is first-hand.

Gearóid

I just think it's become a real red flag for right-wingers to sound like they are reasonable centrists. When I hear Joe Rogan say it, it makes me wince.

Soapy Dishwater

had my face in my hands for the bit with lex talking about joe rogan. god i cant believe thats a real thing that happened

Neely McCormick

I just looked at Lex’s Wikipedia page. WTF? How are guys like this such flaming assholes? His conversation with Zelensky made me absolutely crazy🤯

Kerena

My fanfiction is that Andrew Huberman has a well-meaning colleague who, upon learning that Huberman was compulsively recruiting women for his harem, while conveniently forgetting to tell them they were in a harem, didn't know quite how to broach the topic of sex addiction. So they recommended the show Californication, which deals with the topic. Huberman is somehow so un self aware that he watched it and was pruriently shocked by the childish self indulgent behavior on screen. Unable to recognize his own behavior, which of course is above reproach, and unable to maybe see that the show is critical of the character's flaws? How are these intellectuals so dumb.

Michal Lichota

“The whole notion of prayer and god et cetera

Michal Lichota

“The whole notion of prayer and god et cetera” really sounds like he has a deep connection to a supernatural being…et cetera. But seriously, does Huberman think that saying to yourself “you got this” is what religious people do when they pray to god?

Kimberly Beer

Thank You! You guys are working over time! Not sure if this pal is on your radar : Orion Taraban?

Linda Sears

The Lex interview with Zelensky oddly reminded me of Hassan’s interview with the Houthi pirate when he was asking the kid about Mr. Beast and video games. The collision between the superficial and banal with the tragically real is so bizarre to witness. Lex’s inability to understand the magnitude of what the Ukrainians have been living through is hard to stomach.

oh shizzzzz

I had to turn off the Lex part, it was too hard to listen to…

pete s

I used to cook in a steak and frittes joint favored by pompous wealthy assholes, and the notion of Huberman or Petersen poking their head into a busy restaurant kitchen to "educate" the staff on how to properly execute a "Pittsburgh Char" was hilarious. Good way to get your soup spat in. Excellent work you guys, love to hear you tear strips off these dipshit pseudointellectual twaddle-pumping fucksticks. Peterson especially. A hundred pounds of bullshit in a twenty pound bag, that guy.

aviess

Hm, maybe it's just me, but the chapters are not working in Antennapod. Haven't had that issue with any of your episodes before.

CrystalJade

Why does it feel like the guru’s are now becoming less distinct from one another? Like a merger of galaxy brainedness into a small number of common themes. Is Huberman now just a Peterson protégé just without the archetypes? Does Lex exist only to keep the Overton window open in his lifelong search for a spine or an original thought? Many questions! It does make me wish that the desert island hunger games thing was real. But then again, what do I mean by real in the postmodern dystopia of the conservative gurusphere?

Paul Bowman

On the convergence of all the "heterodox" gurus on a single, unchallengeable "party line" of issues - perhaps it's useful to think of "audience herding" as a logical result of audience capture. Just as in audience capture, it's not the audience that are captured by the performer, but the other way around, so with audience herding, its the performers who are being herded by the audience into their red button zone. Also loved the idea of Huberman using prayer as a performance-enhancing drug. Which sparks a whole digression into the idea of prayer as a petition to get your divine patron to bend the rules of reality in your favour - a plea for god to corrupt the laws of the universe for your personal benefit, a la prosperity gospel. And what that means for that form of worship

Kimberly Beer

I’m listening to the end and Lex should be ashamed of himself. I agree with you both: how does Zelensky not flip a table.

George

Agree with the comments on Lex. I've always, naively, had a bit of a soft spot for him, that he's at least smarter than Rogan. But that interview is beyond the pale. The facetiousness of it. To think Zelensky is a war-time leader facing the unconscionable decisions and horror that he is, and this berk is saying let's go and get brisket with Rogan and Putin. What planet is he on?

Monica B.

Damn I'm glad for the work you guys do! This was a good one. Lex. Oof. Zelensky is so impressive, and I hope one day when Ukraine is free from the occupation that we can hear him go off on people once and for all. You know he has it in him!

collapsing

Just reflecting on this cracker of an episode- and the continued degradation of the gurus here over the years to where we are now. Dave Rubin - had Sam Harris as first guest and quotes his Ben Affleck moment as the trigger. SH provided intellectual weight for years to JRE while both lived LA. Lex F again has said he modelled himself on SH. And to my knowledge SH being mutual friend got Musk and Rogan together…. I wonder if Sam ever, in his quiet moments ever wonders about his heuristics….oh and Hirsi Ali is now a Christian… has anyone ever had such a terrible hit rate ? 🤣

pr

I don’t think any episode has bothered me like this one. Lex and Hubermann are vile.

Daniel

The arrogance of Lex, to think he can help bring about peace through his dumbass conversations! He just wanted to speak Russian to show off. That interview was offensive and makes me wonder how he is so stupid and out of touch. Despite the humble presentation I think there might be some deep-seated narcissism.

Erquirk

Hey guys, sorry I can’t listen to the entire podcast, I’m way too busy out foraging for Skittles…

Milquetoast Ramen

This is a lot to rest on any humble podcaster’s shoulders. You’re doing God’s work. But Sunday afternoon bouldering, Mos burger runs (no mayo)…these are the things to get through hard times. 😉

Matt Dear

Is Lex aware that he's a slimy piece of shit?

Daniel

The convergence on Christianity is weird and makes me wary of how social dynamics affect my own views.

Philip Grant

There's a hell of a lot better an evidence base for covid vaccines than for proteinbro diets!

Sue Fricke

I don’t think we should think Andrew Hubermann is a man of science any more. I first encountered him as a guest on Tim Ferriss. During that encounter AH spent a good amount of time explaining that he deliberately set out to be “friends with Tim” because of how successful Tim was at Podcasting. AH shamelessly aligning himself with whoever is the most successful to get the benefit of that alignment. Why wouldn’t he pray now when its clearly going to get him closer to whoever is at the top of the podcasting tree. He is not a scientist, just an opportunist.

Joanna Go

I have a newfound admiration for you guys for listening to these people's so-called 'revelations.' It takes an incredible amount of patience and emotional resilience to sit through these podcasts. The disgust I felt during Huberman's podcast and the second-hand shame I experienced with the Lex-Zelenski conversation were truly off the charts.

Tree

Lex is such a disgusting little maggot

Philip Grant

The bizarre non-sequitur where in the middle of talking about the Russian language, Lex finds an opportunity for some toadying up to Douglas Murray!

Jonathan Cano

“people are asking to return to the sense makers” - oh no! audience capture!!1!!!

Jonathan Cano

god i hate Lex that fucking Putin shill

Charlie

Didn’t think it was possible but now i dislike lex even more

emmajane

Good god that Lex interview!! 😬

Cara R

A I’ll

Amy

I’m late to the party here but now that I’ve finished I had one thing to say: your work has been absolutely life-changing to me! You’ve given me much more interesting material to listen to while I’m out for walks or doing chores! No, but seriously, I enjoy learning about these gurus in more detail.

James Lucas

That Peterson and Huberman bit was so painful

Sarah S

I thought Huberman was saying that no one who doesn’t believe in god can understand the brain. So atheists will never be the best scientists.

Jordan Tobin

There is a book "McMindfulness" by Ronald Purser that also touches upon this sort of religion as capitalist optimization. It's worth a read, at least the first few chapters. Speaking of literal secular gurus.

Nimo

I think you're hearing the Huebs wrong at around 48. He's saying "I know how the brain works down to the nuts and bolts* and there's a god sized hole in it" *an outrageous claim