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Supplementary Material 28: The Ultimate Geometric Unifying Cognitive-Theoretic Iceberg (Patreon)

Published:
2025-05-16 11:00:15
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2025-05-16 11:30:19
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We exercise our ethnographic muscles as we revel in the esoteric dynamics of Australian Pool Culture, the mysteries of Eric Weinstein's theories as revealed by Curt Jaimungal, and the contradictions of MAGA cultists.

Sources- The Fifth Column #502 - The Second Battle of Batya (w/ Batya Ungar-Sargon)- The Fifth Column #503 - Mea Minima Culpa- The Fifth Column Members Only #258 - We Don't Talk About Fight Club (Mostly)- Curt Jaimungal - Eric Weinstein's Theory of Everything "Geometric Unity" Explained- Curt Jaimungal - Chris Langan: The Most In-Depth Interview with the World's Smartest Man- Eric's Twitter response to Curt- Josh Rogin's (mild) criticism of Bill MaherSupplementary Material 2800:00 Matt's Ethnography of Australian Swimming Culture

06:19 Pool Etiquette and Social Dynamics

08:46 Mutual Humiliation and Blackmail

08:51 Reciprocal Humiliation

12:01 Patreon Question of the Week

13:37 Curt Jaimungal explores Geometric Unity

19:12 The Weinsteinian Iceberg

26:38 Eric's Response to Curt

28:40 A potential doomsday device?

29:55 The wisdom of genuine seekers

35:00 The Pseudo Profundity Mask

38:19 Pandering to anti-'mainstream' science audiences

40:37 Earnest Fans

43:54 Passive consumption at YouTube University

46:21 Independent Learning and  the Pitfalls of Self-Taught Knowledge

49:53 The Illusion of Easy Learning

56:00 Credentials vs. Actual Knowledge

59:46 Media Criticism & the Fifth Column

01:02:47 Priorities in the Media Business

01:04:29 Why is strong criticism so taboo?

01:08:25 Brand Building in the Alternative Media

01:12:02 Batya joins the Fifth Column

01:16:37 Debating Tariffs

01:22:46 A rare instance of REAL disagreement in alternative media!

01:25:58 Sensitive MAGA Cultist Sycophancy

01:32:10 The Working Class don't want iPhones

01:41:06 Outro

Comments

Lillie

🥳

Damien

Deadly, just I'm time for my lunchtime run 🏃‍♀️ 😋 🙌!

john statham

That title is straight outta da #Mattrix. I’m glad the Fifth Columnists are getting an intellectual slap. Some of the Trump apologetics, particularly from Kmele is increasingly nauseating.

Saksaas

Are we looking at the well known anime trope of the beach/pool episode of DTG?

332

Either the audio is a bit janky in this one or my headphones have developed racism towards the Irish

kurdelis

If you multiply 2 apples by 3 apples, you don't get wtf apples, you get 6 apples^2. Easy!

Zaniken

Time to d the g

K “First Principles” Hunter

What a pleasant surprise this is out today. 🙏🙏 Gonna start listening right after my usual Friday morning (fishing-themed) podcast.

Frances goulart

" prepping for this podcast took me weeks and weeks" ? Butter my toast and call me Einstein!

Kelley

We all know that famous music beef between Kendrick and Lamar 😂

Frances goulart

So agree with you both! I soared through a course on The Philosophy of Mathematics but was a total stumblebum when it came to working the actual problems.

Randy

I think nearly anyone who read and understood The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker has a better understanding of evolutionary biology than Bret and Heather.

Mike

"I've read 200 books on (the current thing)" Considering the current thing (climate, covid, Ukraine, Middle East...) changes every 6-12 months, how many books a day do these people read???

CHUSSTERR

Did chris reference the "kendrick and lamar" beef? 😁

Paul Ditta

Matt, thank you. You have no idea how reassuring it is to know I’m not the only one who loves PBS Space Time, but who gets a fucking nosebleed every time I try and follow the maths. Bless you, sir. Bless you and bless your house. I can go to my grave feeling slightly less of a moron than I had previously.

Max

Do you think young blue-eyed Eric, throwing his graduation hat in the air, ever dreamt of his physics nobel acceptance speech taking place in Youtube comments?

Amy

I’m about 40 min in and I’m still stuck on the whole “$1*$1 is not $1” discussion. Yeah, it’d be 1 dollar squared, which is meaningless. Is that supposed to be profound?

Yoko Swagman

I must give Batya some credit, she by comparison makes me like Michael Moynihan which is an incredible feat.

Steve Alexander

Nice to hear Matt’s idiomatic pronunciation of “caste” with an “a” like in “matrix”. Conventionally though, it’s pronounced with an a from “mattrix” sounding similar to “cast”. Basically, swap the a from Matrix and Caste and it’ll work out fine.

Kerena

I am always interested in the 'amateur expert' discussion because my grandfather was a self-taught archaeologist who became a respected expert in his (very niche) field. He left Europe in 1939 and was a Zionist settler in British-occupied Palestine. As something of a stateless person and a young refugee with no family, there was no path to getting a university degree. He worked on archaeological excavations in the region and learned the relevant literature in German and English. He went on to lead excavations, publish in the academic journals, and attend academic conferences. He was accepted and respected by academic archaeologists. My point is that he did in fact teach himself and make his own discoveries (about things like ancient sewer systems and plumbing). It was a different time in history obviously. But he was seen by the professors and researchers in his field as the real deal. They didn't shun him or anything, in fact, they deferred to his expertise. I'm just saying academics wouldn't necessarily have a problem with amateurs if they were self-taught but not self-promoting loons.

Adam Sher

The Batya Diyenu bit is so bad I literally cringed when I heard it again. It is the most cringe of anyone DtG has ever covered. Please stop.

Da Jay SwIzzle

Tell dont Show faves for me: Astrum (astronomy podcast) Potholer54's hilarious and amazing channel

Michael Braverman

It is a sad day in the world where it has to be explained that reading a couple of books or watching a YouTube video is not the same thing as studying a topic at a university. But I guess that, after all the amateur virologists came out of the woodwork a few years ago, it needs to be!

Michael Braverman

Also, that Curt fellow speaks very oddly - kind of robotic, almost. Did anyone else pick up on that?

Melinda

Pretty accurate explanation of the swimming hierarchy, Matt. Although "flippers" is a bit beta - they're "fins". Nice to hear Bundy is dragging itself into the 21st century with swimming all year round. It used to be possible if you were willing to subject yourself to the dank experience of the indoor Fairymead pool, I don't know if that's still the case. No lane etiquette whatsoever, back in my day in Bundy. Great to hear the dining situation hasn't changed in 20 years.

Deniz Stiegemann

Context for Curt’s comment about an explanation “for a five year old”: He’s referring to the common expression “explain it to a 5yo” and his frustration with it. He elaborates this in more detail in this recent video about oversimplified explanations: https://youtu.be/eASBzSNB8ts Curt has a big ego, but I can totally appreciate his frustration with “dumbing down” physics & maths.

Roscoe 112

Levels of Poolgoer 1) Skin Buoy/Loose Bandaid Donor 2) Lost Scuba Diver/Boogie Boarder 3) Lap Slapper 4) Latex Onepiece 5) Underwater Dolphin Wiggler

jss

Your mic 🎤 is peaking on this one Chris

Nat J

Strongly agree that math is inherently difficult for nearly everyone, even the very best mathematicians. A favorite quote comes from an interview with Andrew Wiles, who proved Fermat's last theorem, a great mathematician. He describes learning a new branch of math as like wandering around in a large house with the lights off. You fumble and stumble, bumping into furniture, searching for doorways, slowly building up a mental map. And then after several months, you turn on the light switch, you can see what it actually looks like, and see what your map was trying to tell you. What I find remarkable about this is that for this great mathematician math is cryptic and puzzling and not really understood even for several months. I like to relate this story to my students who have a bit of math phobia. The moral, to my eyes, is that if a student struggles with math, that does not at all indicate that they just don't have the knack for it. Everyone struggles at math, sooner or later. It's not really obvious to anyone.

Chris Clark

Matt’s observations about musicians-v true. It’s also layered in passive aggressive subtext. You can compliment someone’s music as being “nice” when really you mean “wet/soppy”. You can overtly compliment how technically accomplished it is and mean “fiddly/over worked”. In the realm of production work this is also true. “Nicely declicked audio file, man”. In general the cliches also still work. “Yea that’s really vibey”. It’s vague to the point of meaningless but generally is not meant sarcastically. It’s a get out of jail free card, but people also suspect you’re not really that engaged if you use it frequently. Adjectives “tight” “loose” can also be deployed with ambiguous meaning. Ie passive aggressively. If something sounds rigid and over cooked- “yea that’s really tight” etc

MoooinkForYourSupper

Re: why you can't disagree in public - Chris mentioned the big egos. But it's more than that: it's about territory as well. It's like, "We're all here trying to divide up the audience pie, and by coming on my show and disagreeing with me, you're making me look bad when we all know that's not necessary for you to build your brand." If you're going to disagree in public then you have to follow the rules - plan it ahead of time, with lots of caveats and ego stroking, so that you signal to the audience that you're all on the same team.

Linda Sears

I can attest to people getting their doctoral dissertations signed for a variety of reasons. Around the time that I was starting my dissertation, three of my directors moved to other universities for better opportunities. I think they signed off on my dissertation just to get rid of me.

brianshmrian

I found Curt Jaimungal through an interview he had with Daniel Dennett which I enjoyed. But I ended up being disappointed with his other content. I thought a lot of his interviews were confusing.

Sam Leeming

Kendrick and Lamar beef. 😂

Tim Tripp

I struggled greatly with math when just reading. It was only through diligent practice did I get through and honestly I still did not understand. It strikes me as quite arrogant to think you will understand maths just by reading and listening to a podcast.

CrystalJade

They punctured my yolk. With their mathematical precision.

Trees

Chris, do you boulder barefoot?

Rakish Tilt 🎩

Shout out to the Mongol eps of the Fall of Civs podcast. Really great passive learning.

Lucy

My impression of Fifth Column is that they are Trump launderers who pretend they are not. I found the attacking of the more outward Trump launderer to be a touch disingenuous.

Jeanne H-B

Thank you for the term “profundity porn,” Chris. It is the hot air that warms the Wafflearium.

Tree

I have feelings. Being mostly self taught. But also not liking self taught people. Urgh. So many contrafictions.

Matt Dear

While Curt has admirably swallowed a dictionary, he appears to have done the same with everything else put in front of him.

Rakish Tilt 🎩

I really appreciate the context around passive learning and active learning. There's a big difference between reading about Calc 2 and DOING Calc 2.

Tree

I think part of why right/heterodox shows are so sycophantic is because their audience likes it. A lot of people dont want to hear journalists asking tough questions. They read it as being annoying smart arses. At least that is what people who I know who listen to them say. And I think the 5th Columb people talking about messages they got and it being "annoying" to listen to suggests their audience has some of that too.

Jordan Tobin

At 1:22 did I just hear "Kendrick and Lamar"? 🤨