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Iain McGilchrist, Part 1: Right-Brain Thinking (Patreon)

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In this episode, we take a journey into the mind, traversing both the left and right hemispheres, but mostly the left, as we engage with the truly mind-bending insights of British psychiatrist-philosopher-neuroscientist-theologian-author Ian McGilchrist. Best known for his 2009 book "The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World" but also a much lauded academic and sensemaker.

We outline McGilchrist’s extremely complicated thesis that the two hemispheres of the brains reflect fundamentally different “ways of being” and that this is reflected in individuals and civilisations that rely more on one side than the other. This is, of course, not merely a crude binary. As McGilchrist repeatedly emphasises, it would be quite wrong to suggest he is simply valorising everything he likes (religion, poetry, classic literature, wood-panelled interiors, sense-making chats) and attributing them to the products of a profound and integrative right hemisphere. Similarly, he does not simply want to denigrate materialists as reductive left-brain thinkers who cannot appreciate art, beauty, or love because they are too busy thinking about atoms. There is definitely none of that in his chat with Alex O'Connor (AKA Cosmic Skeptic).

Expect neuroanatomy, metaphysics, and extended reflections on the nature of love. In other words, a completely standard Decoding the Gurus episode.

Links

Alex O' Connor: Why Evolution Gave You Two Brains - Iain McGilchrist

Iain McGilchrist's website.

Spezio, M. (2019). McGilchrist and hemisphere lateralization: a neuroscientific and metaanalytic assessment. Religion, Brain & Behavior, 9(4), 387–399. https://doi.org/10.1080/2153599X.2019.1604416

Lamm, C., Decety, J., & Singer, T. (2011). Meta-analytic evidence for common and distinct neural networks associated with directly experienced pain and empathy for pain. Neuroimage, 54(3), 2492-2502.

Stavrova, O., & Ehlebracht, D. (2019). The cynical genius illusion: Exploring and debunking lay beliefs about cynicism and competence. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 45(2), 254-269.

Lindquist, K. A., Wager, T. D., Kober, H., Bliss-Moreau, E., & Barrett, L. F. (2012). The brain basis of emotion: a meta-analytic review. Behavioral and brain sciences, 35(3), 121-143.

00:00 Intro Banter

01:38 Introducing McGilchrist

07:25 Decoding Source Material

09:25 The Two Hemispheres

16:27 Debunking Left-Right Myths

27:01 Right is Best

45:59 Angry Left Brainers vs. Empathic Right Brainers

58:00 Mental Metaphors

01:04:37 Dawkins vs Peterson: Silly Reductionists

01:21:09 Mythos Over Logos

01:28:24 The Careful Scholar Pose

01:32:53 Love is All You Need

01:41:50 A False Dichotomy: Materialism vs. Artistic Sense

01:44:22 Emergence Not Magic

01:48:36 Spinning Two Paradigms Simultaneously

01:56:48 Open Mind = Agreeing with McGilchrist

01:59:08 Where The Series Goes Next

02:00:11 What's coming next?

Comments

Rich F

Im feeling all smart for doubting McG's pronouncements about the brain. Thankyou Matt.

Nina Davies

It is great that Matt is answering all my questions about this book. Of course, the metaphorical 'story' he tells about experience of the mind is interesting on a philosophical level. But it is so good to know that it is based on philosophical inquiry and not based on science. Dog behaviourists talk about the 'two systems' too, which is useful for training but obviously not based on neuroscience (well ..... not in the case of my very instinctive herding dog so perhaps it is profoundly unhelpful). (I basically believed what Chris thought before Chris did some research. )

Nina Davies

I asked McGilchrist and question about feminist perspectives on neuroscience at a conference once. He was very impatient with me and talked about the feminist neuroscientists being science denialists. I felt quite humiliated really. Nice to know he uses science only to fit his agenda.

Rich F

He strikes me as someone who very rarely encounters any opposition. I dont know what its like being an academic, but I like to imagine faculty members playfully trashing each other all the time just for laffs. He's not into that I guess. I can understand senior status buying you some reverence from those less senior, but it feels like you could drive a double decker bus through the holes in his reasoning, yet not many ppl are taking the opportunity to do that, according to what Chris and Matt dug up online... or couldn't locate, never mind excavate.

Anne Stephens

I imagine a middle-way kind of timeline in which IMcG's Emissary spots his Master's foundational contradiction, then swaps out the Albert Schweitzer Emulator for one of the popular Kierkegaard On-a-Sunny-Day modules... NeuRomance for Old 🙂

Rich F

Was... was Albert Schweitzer like McGilchrist? I dont know much about him at all but he had such a kind face! I know he was religious obvs.

Beigeian

oh my, having been somewhat skeptical of McGilchrist for years, I'm looking forward to Matt and Chris's take.

DudeNah

Whoops. Fell asleep to this playing on the AirPods by accident and had some truly wild dreams about having to make a student film depicting one side of the brains way of absorbing information/operating. I was so bummed to be back in school with this assignment. Yay for being (now) awake instead and having a new episode!

Max

Omg perfect start to the weekend. Thanks guys!

Erland Hvittfeldt

I read the book when it came out and was very impressed at the time, but mostly by his philosophical presentation of the two modes of being. I was very new to philosophy and it's a psychologically very satisfying idea. Somewhat analogous to Erich Fromm's having and being modes. The whole hemisphere thing actually seemed superfluous and he explicitly says in the book that if he's wrong it doesn't matter because it works just as well as metaphor (he loves metaphors).

Frances goulart

Good job, Matt. I learned a lot. From you, not him!

Carol Hebb

As I was listening I was so frustrated that O'Connor didn't push back more. Given his debate background, he definitely had slam dunk counter-arguments for every point mcGilchrist made. Not the right time or place I guess.

Joe Euro

Welling up to hear Matt admit that Chris is a fully realised human. This feels like a big breakthrough for the boys 🥹

Robert Andrews

Only about halfway through. Enjoyed listening to Matt's explanation of brain functions and how it relates to lateralization, etc... Also: 1. Weird to me that Alex O'Connor is playing footsie so much with McGillchrist, particularly in the way he seems to attribute to Dawkins HIS OWN thought experiment regarding the question of resurrection - with the video camera. That was AOC's own gotcha, was it not(?), so why is he making it sound like something Dawkins put to him? That's aside from the fact that he seems to not consider the possibility that Jordan Peterson is not at all unable to see logical arguments, but is purposefully obscuring them. 2. I like Matt's pronunciation of his name... McGill-CHRIST!

Dank Sparrow

Great episode. Based left/right dualism idk. Matts 3D model made so much more sense. What is love? Chris surveying his wife on the sunset on a scale from 1-10

Martin 🇧🇻

One might accuse McGilchrist of making a strategic disclaimer when he does the "of course, both hemispheres do a little of everything...but the right brain rules and the left drools!". Then he can answer any critisism with the classic "But I nuanced it to begin with" even though he is making quite concrete (and false?) claims.

jss

Not yet heard the episode but the subject reminded me that I had a bad mushroom trip 35 years ago where I thought the two sides of my brain had become detached from each other 🥴

Joe

I found myself taking an instant dislike to him because of the plummy voice - reminded me too much of the type of teacher that I hated at school. Would be interesting to hear an AI re-dub - like that language guy did for Gary - to see if it lands any differently

Martin 🇧🇻

"A network of nodes", huh? I consider my brain more like a confederacy of dunces.

John Pohl

What I have never understood is why people like McGilchrist and Dawkins are so sure of their opinions that they refuse to accept the spectrum of metaphysical belief, subjective thought, emotions, etc. Not that it matters, but I am religious (Christian) and have friends and family that belong to other religions or are atheists. It has never bothered me. I don't try to or want to convert such people as they are pretty wonderful the way they are. I think humanity does much better when people of different belief systems work together to help the poor, prevent unnecessary war, and promote general well being for our species and for the rest of the planet. Saying someone's subjective belief system is "wrong" typically doesn't help anyone. I know I sound like a Pollyanna.

Caramello

It's hard to square his arrogance and pomposity with the fact that he did spend a good amount of time working on the frontline of acute psychiatry in the NHS. I guess that as a consultant, he could have some distance from the extreme challenges that affects most patients and clinicians in these settings. But I did work at the Bethlem Hospital myself at the time he was there (on a different unit, I don't remember meeting him) and it was no bed of roses, even for the most senior clinicians there.

Guruacolyte

Interesting how I usually associate being for holistic 'ways of knowing' with the left wing rather than the right wing. Maybe it's not so much a left versus right-ring thing as it is about where you get your holistic ways of knowing? The left prefers to get them from indigenous cultures a lot of the time and the right prefers the Bible?

Shambles

He lives in Skye? I live in Skye. They are among us...

Beigeian

So in my personal circle, there are many people who frame lot's of their thinking around The Master and The Emissary. These are liberal and progressive Christians and Unitarian types. I'm a unspiritual academic biologist, and while not a neutoscitist, I've got enough background to have to politely claim ignorance about the left brain / right brain dichotomy to avoid being *that guy* when people are just trying to have a nice time (I'm no Chris). These people love him, and take his clinical background as evidence that he has deep biological insights to the human condition. What's interesting is that many of them ignore or explain away his heterodox / right wing leaning as just his age, but then they condem Dawkins as a reactionary. I've alway avoided engaging too much with him, and having now listened to this episode, I didn't realise how deep his bollocks goes.

Jordan

Anyone that would dare question Chris' artistic appreciation bonafides, has clearly not spent time on a live with him, discussing anime.

Das Mann

Enjoyed the episode, concerned about the next one though, not sure how much panpsychism I can deal with. I went off O'Connor's channel after it became the panpsychism discussion channel

George

I'm not religious or inclined to sensemaker windbagging but I find that love can be an unexplained byproduct of us being made out of atoms somehow even more beautiful.

Trees

How the hell am I supposed to fit my 72 paradigms into just 2 hemispheres?! It's baffling to hear him ignore all the complexity of the brain and then rattle on about how you have to appreciate Shakespeare to understand the human condition. The emergent complexity of nature is beautiful and sacred, and the ability to investigate that complexity is uniquely human. You can look at a beautiful sunset and savor the experience of the colors. Or you can contemplate the measurable facts of the Sun's mass and distance. Either experience can be profound. As anecdotal proof, at my high school reunion a classmate I haven't seen in 20 years told me that a scale model of the Earth, Sun and Moon I created during a senior year class blew her mind and changed her life. Her husband knew me as "that guy that blew my mind with some marbles". It all felt analogous to being told I introduced her to Jesus or something. Anyway, damn dualist reductionism.

Leigh

Very impressed with Matt's command of the areas of the brain. You'd think he'd studied psychology or something.

ketracel-white 🧁

"We can all feel love, well except for Richard Dawkins probably" xD

Nate Brody

I'm just now getting around to this and I have to say that to hear the sentence "love cannot be manipulated in any way", I know I'm depriving it of context, but what a hilarious sentence to say

Foggers

I was in love, it was great. But then I considered that it was just atoms bouncing off each other and just certain chemicals being released into my brain. I immediately became incredibly depressed and suspended myself in the turgid miasma of existence.

m/z

Enjoyed these episodes. Started reading his book years ago and neber finished. Glad I didnt waste my time.

Nina J.

My god, these guys are all so in love with rigid hierarchies and everyone knowing his or her place within them. Now even the hemispheres are predestined to fulfill authoritative and subservient roles?! I feel like it used to be deeply uncool to worship that kind of shit, but here we are