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Update on Ibram X. Kendi Episode (Patreon)

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2021-02-26 02:30:37
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2026-06
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So we've recorded this and the edit has begun but it's a long one. Currently 3hrs 24 mins, so it'll take some time to edit. I'm hoping to get it done by the end of the weekend but might be early next week depending on work and kids. At latest we will have it out by Friday next week.

I (Chris) think it's a good one! We definitely do get into the weeds on a lot of the topics Kendi covers and we also make time to discuss the ongoing feud with another controversial black academic you may have heard of: Liam Bright! We thought it best to condense all of our criticisms of black academics into a single episode!I don't think we will get cancelled for this one but will be interesting to see the feedback.

So sorry that we won't get the episode out today but hopefully it is worth the wait.

-Chris

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Mark McElman

Just one question - will this podcast be racist or anti-racist?

David Love

Was the source material ever shared?

Giant If

I was thinking of virtue theory while listening to Kendi’s description of racism as action. Aristotle described virtue as being a kind of habit, saying that you can cultivate virtuous habits by repeatedly committing virtuous acts. And in stuff I’ve read elsewhere about how habits work, eventually they become an identity. Like, if you develop a robust habit of going for runs, you acquire the identity of “runner.” It also works in the opposite direction, which you might call vice theory— if you develop a habit of driving recklessly, you acquire the identity “reckless driver.” I like this comparison to Kendi’s thinking about racism because it’s also about behavior. But it doesn’t exclude ideology— you might have some particular thinking behind being a runner, and likewise you might have a particular thinking behind being a reckless driver. But that’s not required for the term “running” or “reckless driving” to be accurate terms to describe your behavior. Also a reckless driver could easily decide *not* to drive recklessly, just as a person who says racist stuff could make statements opposing racism. The “thing you said” vs. “who you are” distinction regarding racist behavior is something I originally heard from Jay Smooth in a really good, concise (funny) video he has on YouTube called “How to tell someone they sound racist.” You might check it out.

Decoding The Gurus

Yes, I think that’s true - it’s very hard to disentangle ‘cultural differences’ from the socioeconomic disparities that are driven by historical things (inc unfair policies) from the ‘active’ discrimination that occurs once the signifiers are perceived, eg by the justice system. Chris might have a different take, but I guess all of the above might be said to apply to Northern Ireland and the USA, even though all the details, and the relative importance of the factors, might well be completely different.