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Upcoming Releases & General Update (Patreon)

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2021-10-25 00:57:39
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2026-06
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Hi guys,

Sorry there was no episode on Friday. We have the Mikhaila episode done and dusted and it is in the editing bay but due to various technical snafus and actual job demands we couldn't get it out as planned. It should be finished today or tomorrow and we will release as soon as it is ready.

Then... some good news. We have another two episodes that we will hopefully drop together on Friday. These are the mystery episode we have been teasing. I don't want to spoil the surprise but it is a topic we get asked about a lot so it will be interesting to hear people's feedback. Matt and I will probably do a Patreon episode at some point to discuss the episodes afterwards, as we have some thoughts too.

The following week, we will release the edited version of the Annie Kelly interview, which some of you will have already heard. So that's the next three weeks.

You may also remember that both David Fuller and Chris Williamson wanted to invoke their 'right to respond'. I (Chris) have now spoke to both of them and we are hoping to schedule those soon. The conversations were interesting and I think they both bring quite nuanced points that are worth discussing. We should record both of them in November, though there is a chance we will record with David this week (schedule permitting). Guru-wise we plan to cover Brene Brown next to stick with our 'season of self-help' theme. 

So that's all for now. Lots of stuff to come and apologies for the delay. Real life has been a killer recently... in part because I am teaching six courses this semester.

Anyway thanks all for your patience and support! It is greatly appreciated.

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NB

Holy shit, 6 courses is insane

Helen Polemis

Listening now and cringing the whole way through.

DavidtheG

I loved the debate over the evil chuckling clown, Scott Adams. I found myself agreeing with both of you. Yes, it is good that he is willing to be a heterodox right wing nut, but he’s still a right wing nutter. By the way, Chris, PDX is the nickname for Portland, Oregon (it’s the airport code). Home to our favorite Weinstein bro.

Charlotte Goodall

I enjoyed the Mikhalia Peterson episode and had a few observations: you treat her with compassion, which is admirable. However, I think you underestimate the depth of the eating disorder that she expresses. Orthorexia, while not yet in the DSM, is widely accepted as a damaging and subtle eating disorder that involves fear of foods that are deemed “unhealthy “, and attribution of all ailments to “eating incorrectly”. She characterises this essentially. It is a psychological disorder that is incredibly difficult to address and these “diet cult” characters are pushing people deeper into disorder and distress. There is absolutely a crossover into other kinds of medical pseudoscience here: promoting the thought patters that illness is a direct result of “not eating/behaving/believing in an way approved by the belief system. I’m not quite as charitable towards her as I see her as both a victim of this but also preying on those who are vulnerable to the same issues.

Tom Allison

You are managing to produce some truly entertaining content on some very challenging topics. I am very curious about this tidbit: would you be willing to share how much pre- and post-production work goes into producing 2 hours of this content? I know there were technical issues with getting this online -- and those should count and are often ignored in planning/appreciation -- but I am wondering how many hours it takes to get all those clips, how much planning there is for your discussions and how much review there is to splice together AND EDIT OUT POTENTIAL FAUX PAS (or do you do that, at all? ;)). You may set your playback to 2x, but this all still seems really labor intensive. I would understand if you want to keep the sausage making part of the process in house, but I am curious.

Tom Allison

Here's a heavy thought: one of your guests (I think David Pizarro, but could have been Stuart Ritchie or Robert Wright? Then again, also could have been Conspirituality guy - Matthew Remski? - I don't necessarily listen in order ;)) talked about the potential for a pattern of Guru capture *by the audience* - wherein normal folk are slowly turned into Gurus via the intoxication of being fawned over/responded to by their audience... Do you guys ever worry about this? Do you do anything to innoculate yourselves against it? I ask in part because I am noticing my own noticing when my comments get upvoted on Reddit and how much I pay attention/get a charge in the micro-interactions surrounding them -- at least in part because I find your content so cool. It makes me wonder what it must be like to be on the other side of those interactions, as the creators, and whether it is possible to escape the pull/not get hooked on it? It makes me think that the manipulation and microtising of feedback that online social media has given us might not be much more behind the rise of this current crop of gurus than one might otherwise think -- and whether there are ways to participate but avoid the worst effects of it? Is staying sharp and critical enough? It reminds me a bit too much of the future drug-addict bragging about how she can handle the interaction with whatever her substance of choice happens to be...

Tom Allison

Oh, and one last thought while I’m on the subject of guru-capture by audiences - I was at UM while Bret and Heather were doing their PhDs there and teaching a lot of courses (as graduate students do). While I didn’t have first hand experience with them that I know of, I have friends who were undergrads in biology and have since gone on to successful academic careers and *they* are quite chagrined that Heather and Bret have taken things the way they have - they were quite popular amongst the undergrads and thought of as on the hard-nosed end of the scientific thinking spectrum… “What the hell happened to them?” is a line from recent communication regarding their recently published book. So, they may well be a good model for exploring how gurus as well as audiences can be misled by the dynamics between the two.

Tom Allison

Really looking forward to the Brene Brown episode! From my very glancing familiarity with what she puts out I always imagined I would be a fan if I looked closer -- quite interesting to see her make the Gurus list. Should be fascinating to see the results of giving her material the Chris and Matt going over ;).

Cesare

Man that was painful the way he kept talking over you guys. IDK, I've never heard him so defensive. He's usually eloquent and on point, but the talking over, having vague answers, or deflecting by always bringing it back to semantics it sounded almost like the way some Republicans debate. Chris showed far more patience than I would've in such a situation. And I know Matt didn't say much, but what he did say was poignant.