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A Rambling Christmas Special *Video* (Patreon)

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2021-12-27 09:26:44
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2026-06
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Hi everyone,

We decided to take some time to record our (unedited) End of Year/Christmas special just for the Patreons. It's a bit rambling and fairly self indulgent, but hey it's Christmas...

Topics covered include: reflecting on the year that was, checking in on the old Gurus, our annual airing of political grievances, discussing our very moderate and boring personal goals for the New Year, and finally some listener requested dialogue reads. 

Consider the politics section our roast for the ENTIRE year and apologies if we complain about your preferred political orientation!

Hope you are all having nice holidays!

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Rambling Christmas Special

Matt & Chris take some time out of their Christmas holidays to reflect on the year that was, check on the Gurus, provide the annual airing of political grievances, discuss their very moderate and boring goals for the New Year and finally do some listener requested dialogue reads. Consider the politics section our roast for the year!

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Could definitely do with some DtG banter

Nick Brouwer

Wow, the far leftist Twitter mob has really gotten to Chris I see. I'm amazed at how some of the insane radical shit gets passed around on Twitter and other internet spaces uncontroversially. Can't blame Chris at all. Really enjoyable conversation overall, good holiday chill vibes.

Andy

Way to go out there and shill for all of us political moderates! Gradual political change and compromise for the win! Enjoyed the ep :)

Ciaran Mullan

Thanks for that, great episode. I enjoyed it. I liked the way Chris framed his upbringing in Northern Ireland to give the American culture war a global context. There are countless other examples of modern civil conflicts, but NI is an interesting comparison. Segregating schools in NI played a big part in prolonging the conflict and entrenching sectarian divides. Furthermore, it contributed to the division both communities experienced on a social, everyday level. The current focus on education in the culture war and the teaching of CRT could lead to a segregated education system in America divided along political lines. That could solidify the culture war issues across generations. Chris is absolutely spot on when he says that it’s foolish to believe your society is immune from incredibly destructive civil conflict. He’s seen how easily it can happen and can point to many other examples of it happening in recent, living memory and today. Granted, one small saving grace of the Irish Troubles were that we were spared the tedium of an IDW-style commentariat weighing in and making things 100 times worse. Having said that, I can easily imagine Jordan Peterson in an Orange sash! Small correction - Liam Neeson does not have a southern accent - he’s from Ballymena, hey!

Decoding The Gurus
>>74454762

lol! I should have known that about Liam Neeson. I've actually been past his house; he definitely doesn't sound like a typical Ballymena man! Also completely agree about Jordan and the Orange Order! It is right up his alley! Also, great points about the education system. Mixed schools are starting to be more common in Norn Ireland and it is a good thing. I don't think I met a Protestant until my teens and that was through rock music.

Ciaran Mullan

Yeah, I’m the same. It wasn’t normal - catholic family, catholic friends, catholic school, catholic neighbourhood. As you said in the podcast, it’s changed a lot for the better in recent years. But even still, it’s a fragile peace and it’s by no means gone forever. It could come back, especially with all the uncertainty around Brexit.

Charlotte Goodall

I’ve just been reading Patrick Radden Keef’s Say Nothing and have been thinking a lot about the Troubles. I grew up in Ireland in the 80s and 90s but the North was another world away. But even so we had our own narrative and it was driven by a lot of assumptions and cultural heuristics. I was thinking about Gerry Adam’s through the Guru lens- an absolute snake of a human being who nevertheless was instrumental in helping to bring the peace process into existence. But the swirling cult of personality around him absolutely blinds people to the terrible things he did and the people he lied to and betrayed. Perhaps it’s unique to Ireland but it came to my mind while listening to your conversation earlier.

Decoding The Gurus
>>74459683

Certainly Charlotte! I have never looked into the details surrounding Gerry Adams and absolutely was impacted by the cult of personality. I also remember him coming to the door of every house in our street to ask about voting. I saw a bizarre video recently where he was using the Troubles to sell a cook book. All very odd!

Charlotte Goodall

Chris, if you haven’t read Say Nothing…… read it! Truly incredible book.

sebcatemis

Any kind of social welfare passing is always difficult here because a lot of people here have these hero tales in their minds about themselves and their families about how they started with little and did everything on their own, even though it isn't true for almost anyone. But it lets people more easily dismiss others struggling as it being their own fault and not anyone else's problem.

Karen

Heehee - "Switzerland has chocolate and clocks." Make that chocolate and watches - and banks, and pharmaceutical companies, and of course mountains (and hence, tourism). They keep their gun violence in the family, with one of the highest rates of gun-related domestic violence in Europe.

Karen
>>74506165

Me too (well, sometimes). And I'm definitely a fan of DTG!

Liam Kofi Bright

Actually laughed out loud at the "But... if you were a cynical man"

Paul Bowman
>>74506165

Having grown up in Switzerland can confirm that it is a "weird little country". But one I have some affection for (despite it's right-wing conservative leanings). The gun-violence stats are pretty high, but at least they've now decided to keep the militia weapons in the barracks, rather than under the paternal bed, as used to be the case when I was there. But of course the stats don't compare to the US - but then neither do Canada's. Of course gun regulation has empirical benefits. But I think there are definitely big differences in "social capital" between countries like Switzerland, German, Scandinavia, etc, and the US. Based on people's cultural willingness to conform to social expectations by dint of civic pride or belief in the legitimacy of the general social order.

Paul Bowman

As a card-carrying far leftist, I do enjoy your occasional centre-left political rants. And believe it or not, I tend to agree with you that a lot of the far left, are really bad at interacting with people in general, but especially online. Partly I think this is the general tendency to view everything through the lens of ideology (which most confuse & conflate with politics) and think that having shouting matches over culture war hot takes will achieve anything. Which obviously it won't. People's fundamental value systems are not easily shifted, and certainly not by partisan fights over whose "facts" trump the other. Any experience in the organising and alliance-building practices of actual politics starts with the understanding that this only reinforces differences rather than finding common grounds. Sadly with the domination of social media over discourse (aggravated by the pandemic), this issue of overly-ideological, politically-clueless leftism, seems worse than ever.

Alex Nelson

holy s*it I thought that was Chris' actual background until like 5 minutes left in the video...