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Next Decoding episode will be the triple threat Sensemakers (Patreon)

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2022-08-08 07:14:21
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Hi everyone,We are getting back to things after the illnesses and have decided to indulge Matt's love of sensemaking by making the next Decoding episode that triple threat 'Making Sense of Sensemaking' video with Daniel Schmachtenberger, Jordan Hall, and Jamie Wheal.

The link is here for those who want to play along:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Es_WTEgZHE

*WARNING* It is tough to get through the full episode! I failed multiple times.

In any case, that episode should come out next week after the episode with Elgen Strait with new intro/outro (and mini decoding of Lex & Rogan episode segment).

AND we have some interesting interviews upcoming but I'll stick them in another post so it's easier to find.

'Enjoy' this one is a doozy.

Comments

Protagonist Science

I just can't... the first dude close-eyed meditating his divine proclamations for us mere mortals is just too much.

Daniel

Ugh. Jordan Hall's rapid pseudo-profound nonsense in the interview with David Fuller was possibly the most aggravating guru content I've listened to.

Ryan Goss

The only way I will listen to more than 5 seconds of that video is it in a decoding episode...talk about a pseudo-intellectual onanism. Side note, but I've noticed in the comments here and on the DtG subreddit that Daniel Schmachtenberger sometimes gets a "pass" from people, but the only sense I get is that he's just another self-aggrandizing narcissist who doesn't actually *do* anything besides appear on podcasts and sell brain pills. Am I missing something?

Exai

Man, if I didn't know science or scientists, these people would quickly teach me to believe there's no difference between STEM and astrology. You have all the smug arrogance of Eric Weinstein without any of the humanizing insecurity it serves to hide. Times three. Fucking hell! I can take a lot of punishment, but this is too much! I could skim about twenty minutes here and there and it was honestly some of the worst know-nothing bullshitting I've heard in my life. Leadership consultants who don't know or do anything spitballing the most vacuous spirituality without spirituality. Reality and truth are a vibe which can only be experienced through the medium of podcasting. I hate it so much! Have fun with it, you two. Edit / I was bothered so much by the guy in the middle with the serial killer eyes that I googled who Jamie Wheal is. He's co-written a book (Stealing Fire) about how Silicon Valley is 100% speedrunning psychology, politics, economics and technology by doing psychedelic drugs, because of course he has. Don Draper sobered up from his one day on speed and realized he was (even more) full of shit (than usual). What makes a fraud like Peterson a bit sympathetic is how he needs a reboot every couple of years, and he, like, makes people clean their rooms to kill dragons and fight communism or some shit. These assholes never bottom out, it's just advertising without a product. It's hard to stop myself from typing out yet another way how this is the worst thing!

Kat

Egad, ditto on the pseudo-profound nonsense. If we invent some AI to model things that are too complex for our brains, won't that AI be too complex for our brains to understand, so we'll then need to invent some AI to model our AI? Or maybe we should just call this AI "god" and be done with it. I don't see why it's a problem that the "cognitive complexity of the issues the world is facing is more than a single person can process". Models of any system are almost always simpler than the system, I mean, if you make the model as complex as the system then it would be the system, or a duplicate. Maybe there's a theorem to that effect (I'm not sure). The object should be to simplify in a way that the model is still useful. Well, those are my random, unconnected thoughts, I think they're better than the trio's incoherent nonsequiters.

Gareth Lee

I think I must be a bit peverse because I'm 45 minutes in and I'm quite enjoying it. It's three guys trying to save world and they ae really putting a lot of thought into it. I love the idea that if we really set our minds to it, we could increase the dunbar number and acheive large scale colective intelligence. I also like that so far there seems to be no obvious political ideology. Most gurus seem to use pseudo-profound bullshit to just dress up simplistics ideas and make them sound profound but this is pure madness. EDIT: I've watched 1hour 15 mins (all at 1.75 speed) and am bored of it now and going to give up. Jordan Hall has stopped his closed eyed meditation and although he still speaks with an air of extreme pretentiousness, it's not as funny anymore. They also seem to run out of ideas and what they are saying also now feels like pretty standard New Age bullshit to me. Really looking forward to this episode.

Andrew Mac

If you told me that this was an unreleased footage from Don't Look Up or Silicon Valley I wouldn't be surprised. More pseudo bullshit nonsensical (non)sense making waffle for the man-bunned Rebel Media crowd. Still I bet they make a good living from charging millennial hipsters in London 3 figures to spout this rubbish at them for a weekend safe in the knowledge that having paid everyone will stroke their chins, nod knowingly and not want to point out they are just talking cobblers. They remind me of the guys who build the supercomputer in Hitchhiker's Guide [I appreciate this dates me somewhat] only to discover decades later that the meaning of life is 42. What is the point? How will this save the world? It almost makes you wish for a Saad, or Lindsay or Fallon as at least they have a clear agenda however egregious. These three are just waffling on. And on. And on. Plus whenever people start banging on about having epiphanies on dancefloors and psychedelics I just want to scream. Even worse it turns out it wasn't his epiphany but an anecdotal epiphany from somebody else. Yeah, I gain all my insights on the world from the drugged up reminiscences of other people who doesn't. Oh and the jazz metaphor. Aaaaargh. Plus the shamanic stuff. Really. Ooh, how original. OK 90 minutes in and I am broken. They will save no-one. They seem really pointless. Not evil like Scott Adams, not okayish like a Bregman or educational, funny and entertaining like a Contra points video. Just pointless. Totally meh although super on brand for Rebel Media. UPDATE: Watched the whole thing. Bloody hell. 2 hours in they basically decide that being nice to your wife and kids is the key to a happy life. Mostly it was boring. Hopefully they'll make Chris livid. Should be a good episode.

collapsing

can't listen to it . insufferable, smug, self important , pompous, gobbledygook. first time i had to stop one of these.

Kyle Wilson

Schmactenberger was much worse than I had anticipated.

Aaron Holder

Holy hell. What a suffocating, saccharine nightmare. It’s like something generated by a not very good AI Turing Test bot. Random samples through the video revealed nothing more than strings of pseudo-profound crooning bollocks. Their self-regard is staggering. My admiration that you gentlemen can analyse this hogwash critically knows no bounds.