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Sensemaking Episode is Out! (Patreon)

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2022-09-14 07:58:38
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2026-06
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Hey everyone,

Sorry for the radio silence. Matt and I have been busy beavers with work schedules, holidays, and pandemic-related unpleasantness.

We have, however, managed to get the sensemaker episode edited and released. We considered releasing it in two parts but I (Chris) was convinced that would annoy some people so we kept it all together. 

We realise this is a LOOOONG one but it's also a special episode with a lot of sense to untangle!

In any case, we will be back with bonus content as soon as health returns to all members of the pod but for now, hope you enjoy the episode.

As always, feedback and comments are welcome! 

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Frances Sebesta

Waiting on this. My morning walk tomorrow is going to be very silent if you don’t realise you haven’t posted the audio.

Ryan Goss

Dread it. Run from it. Sensemaking arrives all the same...

Richard DV

My god, this is unbelievably painful and I'm only 40 mins in ! ...No way I'll do 3 hours of this nonsense. No offence to you both but my god, 3 hours of solipsistic, mental masterbation, dripping in self importance ...urgh !

Sam Pinkerton

This one is a little bit like shooting fish in a barrel. The clips definitely take away all context and just make these guys sound like self indulgent buffoons

Richard DV

As with the rest of the Tech Season, it's all a bit 'meh' ...Can we just get back to taking the piss out of Jordan Peterson & Dave Rubin ?

Sharon M.

There's a video of Jordan Hall talking about Web 3.0 where he essentially says crypto is the future and the best way to secure your future is to buy into whichever currency has the best "vibes". Man is a grifter. Anyway, great ep! Love Matt's passion for sensemaking!

Mike Nelson

Never have so many words been spoken to say so little.

Tim Tripp

I listened; I suffered; I stayed to the end. I may be a masochist.

SHOUNAK SARKAR

These trio of guys leave Eric Weinstein for dead lol! Most of the time I had no idea what the heck they were on about. But it was still better than the rubbish that the IDW gurus put out, as at least it's not contaminated by reactionary politics, anti-woke rants and a profound sense of grievance & resentments. These gurus were just engaging in pure apolitical stream of consciousness. And the rapid jumping from one metaphor to the next was jarring and indecipherable. But hey if you want to impress (bore) your guests with your profundity, you can learn a trick or two from Daniel Schmachtenberger, Jamie Wheal & Jordan Hall.

Giovanni

Very hard to listen to the sense making. I think the most interesting this thing some of the metaphors like the elephant and the insisting that Jesus, loa tzu are things usually associated my mind with American Liberal Protestantism. So it’s weird that a bunch of reactionaries are using it.

Giovanni

Also the thing about the metaphors is that use bad ones that don’t actually show what they are talking about.

Emma

This reminds me of the incredibly confusing and frustrating communication style of a friend who is an ex (mildish) druggy. And he told me he didn't regret his time as a druggy because it had made permanent changes to his brain and he felt now that his thinking was on this whole other deeper level compared to the normal boring people around him...

Nick Wiebe

It really is performance art. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it on it's own but it was very entertaining with your commentary interspersed.

Paul Bowman

Matt seemed to think that these lads would max out the guruometer across all the registers. I think we can agree that they've broken the needle on the pseudo-profound bullshit dial. But grievance-mongering? Hmm. Possibly one of the things that makes this semiotic jazz easy to listen to (apart from having to wake yourself up again, every 20 mins) is that some of the uglier sides of gurudom (grievance-mongering, cassandra complex, conspiracy-mongering) don't really get a chance to manifest while these guys are meta-meta-ering away. The one point where I did prick my ears up is when Jordan (iirc?) was like "but of course we can't do anything so crass as to form an organisation". It's very characteristic of the upside-down world these wannabe intellectuals live in, that they avoid any suggestion of linking theory to practice like the plague. Not for them the "preguntando caminamos" (walking, we ask questions) of the Zapatistas or the general organising model of learning from practice.

Jenny

Thank you for being Sense-Translators. I couldn’t have listened to this without your commentary. Their voices are like nails on a chalkboard. The have the quiet, monotone “we’re-grownups-having-a-very-serious-and-smart-conversation-about-very-serious-and-smart-things” tone that Bret and Heather have mastered. It’s like they’re trying to combine (non)Sense-Making with ASMR to assault our minds and senses more

Molly Jacobson

I am halfway through and think I am finally beginning to grok this whole sense making thing. (I admit, I'm probably still a toddler when it comes to coherence. I won't be driving a sports car any time soon.) Could it be that these people just didn't stay up all night talking to their buddies in college? Or ... Do they miss those days? Because listening to these jokers is giving me flashbacks to the early 90s, lying on my philosophy major boyfriend's top bunk trying to get some sleep, while he and three of his friends sat on pillows on the floor, passed a flask, and half whispered shallow thoughts at each other until 3am. Is civility porn really just a holdover from when they had to refrain from true disagreement so they wouldn't raise their voices enough to wake the sleeping theater chick? It's just mutual mental masturbation... Right? And the third is less an ineffable source or presence ... It's more of a semi-erotic tension? I'm just a writer, not a galaxy brain, but in my world, if you can't explain something simply enough that a bright eight year old can understand it, you do not understand your topic well, let alone deeply.

Katherine

I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so much listening to a podcast. The “sensemakers” were so ridiculous and Chris & Matt’s commentary was hilarious 😂

Chris Clark

This episode was so good! Vindicating and like Matthew Remski said, a public service.

Arabella Holzapfel

Took me 2 days, but I got through all 3.5+ hours. I agree with commenters above that you made it entertaining and enlightening. And "lawyerdiaper"'s characterization of Matt was entirely off-base! I read his Twitter thread in real time. He did the work! Appreciate all you do, guys!

Haley

Hey! I just joined September 5th and I didn’t get a shoutout :’( haha

Maarten Wesselius

Pseudo-profound bullshit has always been my favourite Gurometer™ metric. Needless to say I enjoyed this episode a lot. It's a lot of fun hearing Chris and Matt poke fun at the Sensemakers, especially because they themselves are having such a good time doing it. Also quite a relief to analyse bonafide gurus who completely stay away from culture war topics. Even better: I finally got my Patreon shout-out in this episode, couldn't have picked a better one!

m/z

Funny part of all this coherance talk is coherance is a real word with real meanings that are not difficult to understand. Maybe they should call what they are talking about incoherance..For fuck sakes... these guys need to get out more

Jesta

Way harsh guys. I give you a 5-star review and don’t even get a shout out in your Patreon mentions at the end of the episode? Sigh. I shall have to aspire to guru status.

Jason Trock

They can’t say it, or it might not be real, however, perhaps a shadow of a suggestion? Time (space?) to consult the Society of Umbralogical Parallax Correlators! my Interociter is now set to game b. see you on the other side, suckers!!