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Interview with Paul Bloom (Unedited) *Video* (Patreon)

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2023-03-17 23:04:28
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2026-06
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We finally cornered the psychologist Paul Bloom.

Unedited We cover a bunch of stuff including his new book and podcast, his old MOOC, guru psychology, why people like pain, how come he has never been cancelled and random methodological questions.

So just a standard DtG interview.

Enjoy!

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Paul Bloom Interview

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Erin Dougherty

“Why people like pain” makes me think of those crazy extreme haunted houses where people are basically just abused and tortured for a while. There are many who’ve become addicted and go repeatedly. It’s like all the cultic abuse, none of the bullshit and you don’t have to identify as bdsm.

Empty_Cognizance

I KNEW those VBW and Bob Wright friendships would pay off some day!

Zera Holladay

Audio pretty please? Don’t kill the radio star…

Jesse Rimler

To stick up for Chomsky, from what I’ve read, he makes it clear that the reason he focuses his critique on the US is because he is a US citizen. He rightly notes that US foreign policy is the only one he could hope to influence. This does not mean he turns a blind eye to the crimes of other countries. He and Robert Wright both denounce Putin’s actions, for example — they just also take the time to consider whether the US’s actions before and during the war are wise. This is a far cry from the dopey, knee-jerk anti-establishment left such as the Gray Zone. That these two sides sometimes mingle is a drag, but it’s kind of a small world. Critiquing US foreign policy at all is still extremely rare in the states.

elcid

Took a while, but all good things…

widget

17 minutes in and they're talking about the power of long-form podcasts. It's over isn't it :/

Daniel

Felt like Bloom might never have gotten your point about cognitive empathy. The problem is if you focus on empathizing cognitively with Putin, and base foreign policy mainly on his thinking, you neglect the interests of lots of other people. It may be true that with more cognitive empathy Putin could've been better managed, but to me it does not necessarily follow that the West should have had a less confrontational approach to Ukraine. I think Wright comes into things with an anti-interventionist bias and presumes cognitive empathy should lead us to that conclusion.

Jason Etheridge

A genuinely enjoyably and enlightening conversation, thank you. I felt you could have explored any number of psychological topics further, and it wouldn't have gotten old. Nothing wrong with long form conversations, as long as the content is interesting!

Artemis Green

I think I'm struggling to understand the concept of cognitive empathy and why it is being talked about like it's A Serious Thinky Thing. Is it just trying to understand the world view of people who don't make sense or that we dislike? If you could do me a favour and ask Robert Wright about the time he has spent showing 'cognitive empathy' to Ukrainians - learning Ukrainian history going back all the way to the Kyivan Rus, reading the accounts of the Holodomor (Soviet hunger genocide), watching video of the Maidan revolution, perhaps reading some English translations of Taras Shevchenko or Lesya Ukrainka. Perhaps making friends with some people who are in Ukraine right now or have fled. Has he done that? Why is it more important to show cognitive empathy to 'the enemy', rather than (in this scenario) the victims? I think it has the effect of making Putin's perspective 'more real' than the Ukrainian one [edit: or ones, because Ukrainians are obviously not a hivemind, even if they overwhelmingly want military victory over Russia] simply because more attention is being paid to it.

Sue Sutton

Most enjoyable, would be happy to hear more conversations with him & of course Helen Lewis.