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Interview with Jonathan Howard *Audio* (Patreon)

Published:
2023-06-07 03:45:43
Edited:
2023-06-08 00:03:28
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2026-06
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We interview Dr. Jonathan Howard on the topic of covid contrarians, anti-vaxx rhetoric, and all things pandemic-y.

Jonathan is a good follow on Twitter and has an extremely topical book titled:

"We Want Them Infected: How the failed quest for herd immunity led doctors to embrace the anti-vaccine movement and blinded Americans to the threat of COVID"

You can find a lot of his writing here: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/

Comments

Colin Fardey

This topic reminds me of what the great HH and BW once said on the DH ."Go out and get your infection" .

Unresolved Thought

Its a bit lacking in imagination when the best explanation of people holding a counter position is to accuse them of merely wanting to seem smart or contrarian, or reacting emotionally, no? I understand it's a highly politically charged topic and the stakes are so high, so maybe it's unsafe to give too much air-time for actually exploring why people think the way they do when it comes to policy backed by science (and whether those concerns are legitimate or not). But I'd love a genuine exploration the "antivax" position: - exploring the epistemic challenges involved in accepting "truths" told to us by experts - truths we aren't qualified to understand or verify ourselves, amidst a history of getting things wrong from time to time - the political issues of introducing any policy (backed by science, or otherwise) because it saves lives or reduces harm etc. This seems like a no brainer and it's often easy to sell, but a lot legitimate counter examples exist here too (too much power for a state, infringement of freedoms and rights, cultural norms etc) I dunno, I think we lose a lot by dismissing those that disagree with us like this, without genuinely and respectfully trying to understand their position. Especially when they're are huge portion of population.

Tobbe lobben

Why is he talking about Sweden? Not the first time and sounds like he knows nothing about us.

Lilydale

What a fascinating interview! It is so astonishing that very smart doctors can be willing to mislead people for their own selfish purposes. Before this pandemic I wouldn’t have believed it was possible.

Jeanne H-B

Ah, I started reading the book today! I came to Patreon to listen to something while I did some housework, and, hey!, here’s Jonathan Howard again. Thank you. Thank you.

potatoes_smashed

Sometimes when I listen to people like Johnathan I just feel like they must be living in a completely different world. Because of lockdowns, children’s ability to read and do math has plummeted, quality of life of basically everyone on earth has decreased significantly. Those costs when added up are much higher than 1 million elderly people dying, when you take a sober look at the facts, in my opinion. “Using children as human shields??” Children are the victims of school closures, not the beneficiaries

potatoes_smashed

Lockdowns were the single largest setback to gender and racial equality in at least 50 years. This is the issue that liberals claim to care about most of all. “In mathematics, the 11-point score decrease for female students compared to the 7-point decrease for male students resulted in a widening of the Male−Female score gap in comparison to 2020. Also, the 13-point score decrease among Black students compared to the 6-point decrease among White students resulted in a widening of the White−Black score gap from 35 points in 2020 to 42 points in 2023.”

James Lohner

Will Offit, Prasad, Z-guy, et. al. be offered a guru right of reply?