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There is a lot of confusion around 'gurus', what we mean by the word, and why we talk about 'secular' gurus.

We also suspect many have never listened to our previous episode on the Gurometer(!) so here we go back over things to try and clarify our approach and the definitions we use. This episode will got out on the main feed after editing so any feedback is appreciated!

Apologies for the mismatched audio levels, I have fixed it in the audio version .

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What is a Secular Guru?

There is a lot of confusion around 'gurus', what we mean by the word, and why we talk about 'secular' gurus. We also suspect many have never listened to our previous episode on the Gurometer so here we go back over things to try and clarify our approach. This episode will got out on the main feed after editing so feedback is appreciated!

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Duncan

Sounds like Matt needs to boost the volume and treble on his mic.

Colin Fardey

BW charges people how much for a conversation every month!? Holy Fuck !

Adam Sher

Lex’s interview with Bibi highlighted something you discussed in other gurus, which is they don’t come prepared with the requisite background knowledge to speak. Sam Harris’s interview with Charles Murray and subsequent debate with Ezra Klein comes to mind where he says he hasn’t read Bell Curve but goes on to discuss it for hours. Lex similarly brought no knowledge of the issues he asked Bibi about, and he had nothing to say when Bibi responded to his questions by stating Lex’s premises were wrong. That’s inviting a debate but Lex would need to know something to get Bibi to speak further in any productive manner.

Linda Sears

Well done! I’m sure this fits somewhere in the gurometer, but it is irksome that the worst of the secular gurus use establishment data when it confirms their views yet apply conspiratorial thinking when the establishment evidence does not. Basically, the “orthodox” world serves their self-aggrandizing narratives either way. And those who have academic credentials seem loathe to completely dismiss the backgrounds that gave them entrance to the platforms they have today.

Brice F

How I understand your secular guru terminology is the nexus of snake oil salesmen, crackpot scientists/academics, and the traditional cultic guru figure. You could, for example, take aspects of the gurometer to measure how much of a grifter, crank, or cult leader archetype they represent. A modern secular guru, however, encompasses all three of those archetypes

Maria Ramelton

People you have to listen to these 2 fools😵‍💫😂 Bret is going down, the grift is almost completely bust wide open, stinks of desperation! https://youtu.be/fbzCvtJQS-w