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Gurometer: Noam Chomsky (Video) (Patreon)

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2023-08-19 04:41:36
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2026-06
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You waited patiently for the episode now experience the joys of a fairly straightforward Gurometer.

How does Chomsky fair? Well, I think the episode makes it clear but remember this is a machine for detecting SECULAR GURUS and Chomsky is not exactly in that vein so y'know...

Let us know what you think!

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Gurometer: Noam Chomsky

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Jake Lawrence

You guys forgot about the Ali G episode with Chomsky!

Linda Sears

It’s good to see that Matt is better. I was worried.

Kat

I don't know. Did I hear you say Chomsky said Finland had nothing to fear from Russia? I thought he said Sweden. But I could be wrong. I'd have to listen again to the clips, and I probably won't. Finland has a lot to fear from Russia & therefore every reason to join NATO after the invasion of Ukraine, Sweden not so much & Chomsky could be right about what he said. If he included Finland I agree that's wrong. Also, I'd have really like to hear what Chomsky says about Stimson, as compared to your take, so I could judge. I probably won't waste any more time trying to dig that one up either. The Chomsky contrarian view might very well be a better assessment, or at least a reasonable one. Good review otherwise. But I have this to say, Chomsky may be blinkered in downplaying/whatabouting atrocities such as those by the Khmer Rouge. I have to agree, it's inexcusable. But it's kind of interesting that those by the U.S./west's "enemies" are so much of the U.S./west's conscious, in movies & featured in ads from human rights organizations & such, whereas comparable ones by the U.S./west's "allies" are virtually unheard of, except in very leftist circles. Is it a conspiracy? Who knows.

Decoding The Gurus

On Finland... "Finland and Sweden is different issue. They have absolutely no reason to join nato, and they know it perfectly well. Their reason for joining NATO is they have advanced military systems. They've been pretty well integrated into NATO operations for many years. Joining NATO officially opens up new markets for their, in, for their military industry, uh, uh, new potential for obtaining advanced equipment and so on. There hasn't ever been, and they know it, the slightest threat to Sweden or Finland from Russia." Stimson Doctrine... "It had to observe what was called the Stimson Doctrine, very critical principle. Henry Stimson was the Secretary of War. He was in charge of the mobilization of the economy for war, and he explained virtually in these words, He said, look, in a capitalist society if you want to get anything done, you have to make sure the business world is happy. That's the nature of a capitalist society. So you guys out there like my family, can have your victory guard, stop driving and have wage controls. Meanwhile, we have to have cost plus contracts for the business world, or they're not gonna cooperate. So you can reinforce the power of capital in order to get anything done. Stimson doctrine is very significant, holds very clearly today, and the Biden administration tries to push through some climate programs. They have to be based on bribery of the. Fossil fuel companies at the banks. You can't just push through, uh, programs to cut back emissions, have to follow the Stimson doctrine to see if you can bribe the rich by subsidies credits."

Kat

Well you are right then about Finland and NATO. Chomsky's argument though is that Finland and Sweden already had so much cooperation with NATO that their joining was unnecessary. Now it is phrased as a critique, I'm sure, and as such, maybe not warranted or something. I read the thing about Stimson a little differently. Chomsky was not rephrasing the Stimson doctrine. Stimson did say something along the lines of what Chomsky says he said, the quote on it I found from https://www.encyclopedia.com/education/news-and-education-magazines/world-war-ii-mobilization-1939-1943: '"If you are going to try to go to war, or to prepare for war, in a capitalist country, you have got to let business make money out of the process or business won't work." Secretary of War Henry Stimson made this comment in 1940 as preparations for World War II' I just think he threw in the Stimson doctrine reference, just talking along & that's how brains work sometimes. The whole section is about capitalism, not really the Stimson doctrine. PS Thank you so much for digging up the quotes! That's a lot of work.

Christopher McLaughlin

I’d like to dispel the myth that China is currently a greater threat to sovereign states than the United States of America. According to the Costs of War Project at Brown University the number of people killed directly in the violence of the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and elsewhere are approximately 905,000-940,000. The number of people killed indirectly in post-9/11 war zones, including in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen, are estimated at 3.6-3.8 million, though the precise figure remains unknown. This brings the estimated total of direct and indirect deaths to 4.5-4.7 million. The United States has about 750 overseas military bases in more than 80 countries, including a naval base and prison in Cuba. We should take China’s threats to Taiwan seriously, but if you compare China’s record with the United States record over the past 20 years I think the data speaks for itself.

Christopher McLaughlin

If you have any interest in learning what China’s current priorities are from an actual expert, please follow Dan Wang a visiting scholar at Yale Law School’s Paul Tsai China Center. He was a guest on the Ezra Klein Show on March 14 of this year and I Iearned more from him in an hour than I learned from all the non-area experts opining on China throughout my entire life.