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Conspirituality Interview Episode (Early Release) (Patreon)

Published:
2023-09-18 15:17:46
Edited:
2023-09-18 15:17:56
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2026-06
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Content

A mostly edited version of the forthcoming release this week.

We have a discussion with the Conspirituality guys about well... Conspirituality, their approach, whether they still like yoga, etc.

Also, enjoy a brief return to the horrific realm of Scott Adams...

Comments

Suzan Lemont

I've listened to all the crossover episodes I think, and though some of it is repeated, there's always something new, or nice to be reminded of what nice, sane guys you all are. I really appreciated the discussion on staying humble/how you all deal with criticism. And Scott Adams - barf! What a smarmy weasel! So disingenuous. Who cannot see through that? Just smh.

Kyle Wilson

Unsurprisingly enjoyable conversation! I was glad to see Matthew acknowledge he’s been Naomi Klein pilled. I like Matthew but he has treated this concept of “the mirror world” as some sort of profound jewel of knowledge - as if she has developed a metaphor so elegantly powerful that it has clarified his thinking in deeply transformative ways. Given his self-admitted susceptibility to charismatic leaders, it’s hard not to see his treatment of Klein’s work as a similar tendency towards a sort of devotion or fawning over a person communicating big ideas. Again I really like Matthew but his recent coverage of her work has just felt a little over the top. Always nice to hear crossovers like this even if they’re a bit self-indulgent!

Rakish Tilt 🎩

I got turned off Conspirituality after they went out of their lane by stating they knew the mechanism of action in psychedelics was due to altered communication between areas of the brain, which was the same kind of thing that happens in schizophrenia. The biomedical model of schizophrenia has not mustered evidence for its theory, and psychedelics are way behind due to their prohibition. They also perpetuated colonizer narratives uncritically when they tried to dunk on psychedelics by stating that the human sacrifice that happened in Mesoamerica shows that psychedelics are not enlightening. They also make a mistake by referring to LSD-containing natural substances, of which there are none. Seems to me they have a reactionary bias due to having been seduced by cults and it affects their ability to report the facts. Saying that yoga is "just stretching" is reductive, even considering all the abuse and graft that has gone on.

Robert Andrews

Is this the same discussion that has already been released on the Conspirituality podcast?

Saladus

Might want to check the outro. I thought I was being abducted when the music played lol

Linda Sears

It seems to me there is a tension in the conspirituality world between the view that nature and the body are pure sources of wisdom/expertise and the view that the body must be tamed or controlled so that it can become a perfect vehicle or temple of the spirit. In one instance, the body is the savior while in the other the spirit is using the body to save itself. The aspirational images of ideal bodies seem to tell us that the second view is often ascendant.

Ymirsdreams

Rennie, in his 'An Ethology of Religion and Art: Belief as Behavior' argues (rather compellingly) that Religion is a form of expression on a 'spectrum' with what we currently call 'Art'. What this interview made me ponder was: Do modern secular Gurus use Scientific/scientistic ideas as a medium for artistic self expression rather than how traditional Gurus used Religious / Religiosity ideas?

Dee Loves Ketchup on Eggs

Just starting my listen and am enjoying Mike’s recall of his rather jarring Russell Brand nightmare 🤣 so far!

Linda Sears

I appreciated the conversation about podcast ethics. The fact that you all deeply consider the responsibility and influence you have is a big difference between you and the gurus. On another note, Matt, besides letting us know Felix’s gender, you did not tell us the more important fact, is he is a good boy or not.

Josh

(this is a totally superficial comment and doesn't weigh on the actual subject matter of the interview. I just need to get it out of my head because it's been bothering me) I love Conspirituality's subject matter and used to listen to their podcast, but I just find their manner of speaking to be too pretentious for me (except Derek, I like him). Maybe pretentious isn't the right word, I just get a vibe of "Our podcast is very important and we are very important". It's almost the same vibe I get from the gurus covered in this podcast. Maybe it's their long experience teaching yoga influencing the speaking style, I don't know. I guess I mostly listen to podcasts for the "down to earth" atmosphere.. That's why I keep listening to Chris and Matt. Wonder if anyone feels the same way.