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Sam Harris: Transcending it all? (Patreon)

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2023-12-23 04:33:06
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2023-12-23 20:55:13
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Here is an advance release of a forthcoming Decoding on one Sam Harris. A polarising figure with fans and detractors, see how he fares when entered under the Guru microscope. Also featuring Chris Williamson! More detailed show notes will accompany the main release but here is the relevant source material:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carZ3_02-Xg

Comments

Lillie

Thanks for the Christmas present!!!!!!!!!!!!!♥️🎁🎄

Lillie

That anonymous clip is sweet

Floatgoat.

Hell yeah!! Two hours left on my Christmas drive!

Zack

The initial Sam Harris episode brought me here and I’ve loved every episode since! Excited for this one.

Stu ♥

Thanks! Matt drops out at around 55:20 and it's just Chris saying "Yep!" intermittently, which I think is a good choice. He returns after the next Harris clip, though

Chris Clark

Omg the pad sound at 1:53:50

Ymirsdreams

Thank you for all the amazing content this week!

john statham

I’m surprised that nobody has yet insinuated that CK is controlled opposition because he’s schilling Williamson’s viagra drink.

Lee Kebum

CHRISTMAS HAS COME EARLY THIS YEAR

Linda Sears

Looking forward to listening as essential downtime after the family circus gatherings that are this time of year.

Ali B

Thank you for releasing this flight-length episode right before I fly home for the holidays!

Allan Malcolm McPherson

I'll have to avoid the sub reddit for a couple of months once this drops!

James P.

Came for harris, stayed for monkey magic!

Catherine Crute

The perfect antidote to waiting in an airport for 4 hours at 4 in the morning

Emma

I hate to agree with Sam, but I do actually think social media has fragmented my attention over the last few years and I've been thinking maybe I need to work on that next year as my ny thing. I used to be a huge reader. Even a few years ago I could read dense sciency books just for fun. But this year I am finding it hard to even get through a popular novel. So actually this was a good prompt.

Saladus

Knowing even a smidgen about Andrew Tate I’d actually assume that he’s endorsing the hedonic treadmill rather than warning against it with that quote at 1:41:20

LaserRange

Oh man, ben waiting for this one and not disappointed.And pretty much confirmed my suspicions: Williamson is a complete wanker and Sam still desperately trying to not offend IDW dickheads.

elcid

Funny to hear that your rebellious streak as a Northern Irishman was becoming interested in Buddhism. Make of that what you will.

James P.

Lol just noticed the subtle synth pad under chris' illusion of self monolog. Nice

Kat

I guess I thought some of what you called a nice turn of phrase was more pseudo-profound bullshit. Like the phrase "not having enough bandwidth". But then, I'm not going to admit anything good about him.

Chris Wishy

Im a Sam fan. Good and fair ep. I don’t like Sam’s recent takes on Israel or Lab Leak, and the interpersonal relationships stuff is nauseating, but find his opinions generally very well argued even if I disagree with some conclusions. The spiritual framing around stoicism and living in the moment I find quite enlightening and life enhancing (even if they aren’t his own ideas). Reckon it’s great content for the most part to be it there in the world, (unlike most of the other gurus covered) maybe even on par with DTG. 🙏

Andreas Singer

Great episode. As a Sam Harris fan and subscriber, I find your analysis fair and accurate. Thank you. Also, I can indeed see the back of my head, just like Sam

Linda Sears

In response to what you were saying about whether young men need influencer gurus, my husband I were thinking that insecure males, particularly younger ones, might feel like they should have mentor/father figures either because they are featured so often in films and mythology and/or because the influencer gurus make them think they must have them. If a kid is feeling a little aimless and unsure about his life, the influencer guru can seize upon that anxiety and turn it into a true crisis in need of a remedy, which the influencer guru alone can supply.

Cesare

I have to say, the New Age music while Chris was explaining the illusory self was a nice touch.

YellowDreams

I could be wrong but I don’t think the way Chris characterised the sexual conduct stuff was very accurate. The pali cannon has rules relating to ordained monks that don’t permit sex not for lay people. As far as I know there aren’t any Buddhist teachings that single out homosexuality as immoral. Little unfair to compare rules for monks and the rules that explicitly call for death penalty for homosexuality in the bible for example as Matt was asking about.

Nina Davies

Conjoined lemon. That has stayed with me. Chris Williamson is certainly attempting an interesting repertoire of phrases. I really enjoyed this episode. As someone who has benefited from seeing the illusion of self constructed in thought (which is much quicker seen with CBT than meditation and requires no spirituality), it is always great to hear a discussion as to why this really will not save the universe. For a start nobody's personality changes and people with large egos maintain their large egos .... they just are more aware of them or create new spiritual missioary selves. As in Sam's case. People with relatively small egos, such as myself, seem to embrace normality and shed any guilt about not achieving anything. Good for individual mental health sometimes, but definate not always. Certainly not the answer to anything on the level of society. Just more people believing they have got something right. Yawn.

Kat

One of the fellows in my little atheist group does exactly what Sam does, only with Jewish texts e.g. the talmud and sayings, searches through them and finds the most awful things. Thereby finding, I guess, that Judaism is uniquely evil. Of course those things are there to be found. And fanatics (in this case fanatic Jews) quoting them can be found as well. I pointed out to the group leader that this is antisemitic, but we both ended up agreeing that the fellow is a bit of a wack job. This is by way of saying I completely agree with Matt's take on religious texts, people will find in them what they want to find. This includes atheist texts. I truly object to people, like Sam, not of the particular religion but ascribing to those of the religion a particular belief. The believers should be the only ones to speak for their beliefs! And even then there is so much opportunity for misinterpretation, even between speakers of the same language let alone different languages. In 2018, Palestinians in Gaza staged protests, known as the Great March of Return, on their side of the border fence, largely peaceful. Israel put snipers on the hill outside Gaza, those snipers held contests between themselves as to their accuracy in targeting the knees of the protesters. They killed hundreds and crippled thousands for non-violent protest. Did Sam notice? Did anyone? Sam's take on Islam, when it comes to Israel/Palestine, amounts to coverup and excuse for genocide, and contributing to the dehumanization, one of the noted steps towards a genocide. He doesn't of course explicitly call for genocide like multiple Israeli and some other western leaders. Somehow, the brutal attacks by Israel on Palestinians going back 8 decades at least are excused/downplayed but counterattacks, far less brutal, are examples of the uniquely savage nature of Israel's enemies. Pro-Israel fanatics are the exception but Hamas, it's attack Oct 7, is representative. The two of you (Matt and Chris) complained that Sam doesn't read up on a subject or interviewee before commenting. Maybe true, but I don't think it matters. There's reading, and reading with an open mind. Like the above anti-Semite, Sam would read but only find what he wants to find. While Sam doesn't explicitly call for genocide, his wide reach makes this kind of genocide smoothing over, and mixing blind racism with reasonable takes, insidious. Edit: I read the pro-Palestinian literature, and several times I've read some article someone passes on where the start of it sounds reasonable, then you get 5 or 6 long paragraphs, several pages in and suddenly you're in right-wing anti-semitic land. Now I check the source, if it's the British National party I pass. I tell you, those sounding reasonable while spreading hate (any kind, Islamophobia, antisemitism, anti-black) are the worst.

Roscoe 112

1.53:16 Chris unties the spiritual balloon knot and begins vibrating at the same natural frequency as the crystalline logos structure, radiating quantum packets of truth to our neuronal microtubules with his stacatto elocution. Fun!

Simon Patience

Harris marris barris! Did you really have to do him again?! Boring!

B.C.

A few clips of the conversation are repeated twice in the episode? 🤔 The part about buddhism and its attitude towards “murder” and homosexuality. I don’t actually mind it, I listen to most episodes on repeat a lot anyway. 😂 It was a great decoding! I’m a Sam fan on the whole, but I listen to him through a slightly less fanatic lens because of DTG. They’ve improved my critical ear! ❤️

Maarten Wesselius

I found myself wanking in the corner as Matt and Chris spitroasted Sam and gave Chris Williamson a kick in the dick while they’re at it

Paul Sees

Hey Chris, you've released this to https://decoding-the-gurus.captivate.fm/episode/sam-harris ,which makes sense. But guess where you released the old Sam Harris episode? If you navigate the listing pages you'll still find the old Harris one, but the page it links to is the new Harris one... It did horrible things to my growing bot/database thing which assumes episode links are unique 😂

Matt Graham

After more than a year (years?) of waiting I finally got the patron callout and it was worth the wait just to hear Chris mispronounce my name.

Laura Reinger

My thoughts… Stop with the monkey magic interruptions it’s so grating 😅

Matt Dear

The chat about 'needing' a father figure to give you guidance is an interesting one. I think I'm in a similar place to Chris, I had a fairly happy childhood, definitely had a strained relationship with my father at points, but generally we get on. As a result I have an extremely strong aversion to anything resembling a father figure lol. I'm much happier figuring things out for myself, sometimes to a fault. But at least I didn't get pilled by a cryptofascist!

Dee Loves Ketchup on Eggs

I am looking forward to seeing if Sam would care play his “right to reply card” to chip in with his response to this episode. On the other hand, I can’t seem to get the ear worm phrase “Monkey Magic” out of my head after listening to this episode 🙉