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Poll -> OGG VS MP3 : LET THEM FIGHT (Patreon)

Published:
2021-04-04 19:14:26
Edited:
2021-04-04 19:25:32
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2026-06
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Poll

Poll -> OGG VS MP3 : LET THEM FIGHT

  • .ogg is the masterrace 46
  • .mp3 is the masterrace 8
  • 2021-04-04
  • —2021-04-08
  • 54 votes
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Content

Hello patrons,

Very important question : It's regarding which format you want the audio in.

Since the beginning, I've been providing the audio in .mp3, and sometimes .wav for the music (not the ambiences). I think it's time to address that topic properly, and our good ol' democracy might be the solution.

I take the risk to skew the poll (democracy didn't last long) by saying I prefer .ogg and by a lot. Why ?

Quality is higher. It's also a lossy format, but less than .AAC and much less than mp3 at higher frequencies. Higher frequencies are cool, especially to have rich reverb and "room".

It's MUCH lighter, about two times lighter for the same quality range.

It's also accepted by VTT like FoundryVTT or Roll20.

It can be encoded to mp3 afterwards if necessary. The opposite is true but you won't get back the audio information you got rid of when it has been encoded in MP3.

.ogg is perfectly gapless, mp3 isn't. It means that in some cases, you may hear a very short blank between loops with mp3.

Naturally, other solutions may exist, but they don't seem doable to me.

By example, .wav and .flac are way too heavy for most connections, and would be too heavy for Roll20's limitations.

Asking patrons to re-encode the files themselves from lossless (.wav/.flac) to lossy (mp3/ogg) is a big no. Some may like it, but many among you are here because my work makes your life as a DM easier, not the opposite.

Many other fancy formats exist, but I can't ask you to download special apps to use them, or do any technical manipulation. I'm pretty sure I can't even export them directly from Cubase.

But you may ask : 

Several reasons : First, because it's taking a lot of time. It simply doubles the time required to process the audio. Second, because it doubles the probability to make a mistake somewhere (file name error, seamless loop creation problem, etc.). Third, it doesn't work well with the new directory system we made.

So, what do you think ? I'll follow the majority whatever the choice

Happy Easter!

MichaelEDIT: For MUSIC (actual songs), I'll keep providing Flac + Mp3 + ogg, as it's rarer and easier to export.

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Comments

KB

I prefer MP3s to listen to, but given the choice I would rather have OGG and convert any files I want. Fidelity is more important to me. 👍

Michael Armbruster

I'd still love to have FLAC as the most widely used lossless format, but since I have to choose between two lossy formats, the higher quality always wins in my opinion, so definitely OGG.

Michael Oblea

I'm not actually sure so I'll just take your word for it and let the expert decide 😅

Rob Leonard

I appreciate that you asked instead of just making the decision unilaterally. OGG has my vote.

AnAngryGentooPenguin

Opus is IMHO superior, but it's "the idea is good but the world isn't ready yet" territory as of now. Until that changes: Ogg Vorbis is best!

MichaelGhelfi

As soon as there's another format that is even better and usable by 95% of the patrons, I'll move to it!

Stijn Van Hove

Don't really care. I don't hear a difference between MP3 and OGG. Whatever's the smallest filesize is the winner for me. I guess that's OGG if I read the text right? I don't know anything about audio stuff, just want some fancy sounds playing on my Foundry maps.

MichaelGhelfi

Yes! .ogg is the smallest. Then you are at the right place!

Vincent Anthony

Quick question are all future sound file releases going to be Ogg files. They are not compatible with iTunes on a Mac and I have established a directory of earlier files from your site that I use? This will make a difference for me?

MichaelGhelfi

Hello Vincent! Thank you for your question. I did not understand "and I have established a directory of earlier files from your site that I use?" As for the rest, I can only recommend to keep downloading my files as you ever did and simply convert them to mp3 or any other format of your choice. There are plenty programs that can do that :) Feel free to contact me if you need more info

Vincent Anthony

Thanks Michaël, Sorry for the confusion what I meant by earlier downloads is that when I first was looking for the general ambient dungeon sounds and found that it was part of a package from your website, I bought and downloaded that package from your site and the files were in mp3 format. I thought that all audio files would be in this format. And the directories I was talking about are the ones that I made in my iTunes. In your recent email you were offering Strangescapes which were in the .ogg format. I have haven't encountered that file format until now so I was wondering if that was going to be the format going forward or if it has been. I was asking that question because my first introduction to your patreon was the mp3 files I bought. Thank you for that clarification. I will look for programs that convert the .ogg to mp3. I guess the follow up question that has been in the back of my mind was that do you have a universal program you suggest for your patreon followers for your files to be stored and used in or does everyone do their own thing? Best Vincent

MichaelGhelfi

Thank you for your question! I don't have any program to recommend so far, I don't think it exists. Maybe you could try with "RPG Sounds" on Steam ? It's free for the moment, so grab it before they make it premium. You can load my sounds in it :)