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Buffy 6x6 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2022-11-02 16:00:10
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one hell of a halloween

also the thumbnails just keep getting better and better

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RavenLord

I know I'm several months late to the party, still playing catchup. But yeah, that scene with Dawn and Justin was definitely disturbing. While I think they were playing that the vampire was embraced as a teen, maybe around 17/18, and don't disclose how long he's been a vampire, it's the real-life age difference that's frankly ICKY. At the time the episode was shot, Kavan Reece ("Justin") was 22 years old. Michelle Trachtenberg was only 16. It's one of the few times that a series had a *real* teenager play a teenager, and it led to some seriously uncomfortable scenes.

Rio de Tanana

Just looking for reasons to hate Willow. I’m over it.

Cory James

I don't understand why people think the actress for Dawn needs to be younger. Dawn is 15, Michelle was 16. You don't have to look like a bratty toddler to have a meltdown. Dawn has a really hard time regulating her emotions after ALL the trauma she's been through. Learning she's not real, Losing her mom, being kidnapped, being tortured, losing her sister, living with the buffybot, father figure leaves the country. Dawn is trying to find SOMETHING she can control, because everything else is so out of control for her. It's a pretty typical response to trauma, amplified by being young and having no coping skills. With all the badness that Joss keeps piling on, I'm surprised she didn't go a darker path and I love that about her too. I also think that Dawn's klepto tendencies started after their father abandoned them and Buffy started getting so much attention for her 'bad behavior' that was actually just her being the Slayer. Dawn has been screaming for attention since before she even really existed. I don't really like the turn on Giles' character. I realize it's written for the actor to not be there all the time, but I think they could a chosen a different path than Giles viewing his parental figure role as a job he has completed and can move on from, rather than something he needs to guide Buffy through as always. It's like...he got tired of it all. Which is fair, I guess, he's not actually any of their fathers and they're all adults except Dawn. But the way they portray him it just seems like he stopped caring about being there for the fight. Whether Buffy's death or Ben's death caused that, I don't know, but he got tired and he gave up and staying there just kept reminding him how done he really was at the time.

Cory James

Also I have to mention this because I know you're done with the series already. But when Xander is staring in the Magic Box and goes "I'm going to marry that girl." and Buffy goes "Ew, Xander, she's 15 AND my sister!" that was actual foreshadowing in the grossest way. You should look up the Buffy comics if you haven't already LOL

HuntingSwan

you were just channeling your inner Domi with that forgetfulness! Either that or Willow used that little pink herb thingy on you too! It's disturbing for sure, and even more so cos the herb was right there, and Willow knew exactly what to do which makes me think - this isn't the first time she did this. Just so so wrong.

Shelly

Dawn is literally NEVER allowed out. Buffy always fights her when she wants to hang out with friends or leave the house at night. I'm sure all Dawn's friends do normal teenager things but Dawn isn't allowed to join them. I'm sure from her perspective, going out on Halloween when monsters aren't supposed to be out may be the only safe time she can, even if she plans on being a little naughty. She's a teenager! We were all like this.

JenM

I agree with you about who should be responsible for parenting Dawn. It should be Buffy. Well really, it should be her dad, but because he sucks, it falls on Buffy. I get it’s not fair she has to take on that responsibility so young while she’s also struggling with her own unhappiness about being ripped from heaven and now dealing with real world issues like paying bills and raising a teenager. But that’s kind of one of main mission statements of the Buffyverse. Whether supernatural or real world circumstances, sometimes life just isn’t fair. Giles could definitely continue in his role in being a counselor/mentor to help support Buffy. Which he already demonstrated he’s willing to do here when he advised Buffy that Dawn needs a firm hand. Buffy’s response though rather than taking the advice and perhaps asking him if he has suggestions on how to approach it with Dawn (which I think Giles would have been willing to further counsel Buffy) was for her to immediately dump it on him and not deal with it at all. So even if Giles were willing to take a more active parenting role and help Buffy co-parent, she’s demonstrated she doesn’t want any of the responsibilities and just let Giles do it all What Buffy really needs is to talk to a therapist. Seriously, everything that has happened to her over the show’s history the poor thing should have been seeing a therapist for years! But especially now since season 6 has decided to really focus on real world adult issues.

zerofk

The twist with the old man is pretty good. I think everyone suspects him on a first viewing, yet he still makes sense when you know he's innocent. He's just a bit strange. About Dawn's stealing: maybe it did start after Joyce's death and she was just exaggerating to Justin to impress him? I'm not sure what to think about Giles or Buffy parenting Dawn. I do think Buffy should step up, but also if Giles wants to do it there should be no issue with that. That would basically be like people fostering children whose parents cannot raise them. But it does seem like Giles doesn't want that and feels like you do.

Stargazer1682

Seeing Giles in the Wizard costume in this episode (and last season - he wore it for the grand opening of the magic shop) has made me REALLLY want to see Anthony Stewart Head play Dumbledore. Whenever I re-read the Harry Potter Books, I now picture Tony Head and hear his voice for the dialogue. He'd definitely play the role calmly in Goblet of Fire....

Stargazer1682

"Let them be happy" - Wait, did you think that meant Buffy was saying they" needed to do something" to stop the engagement? That'd have been a hell of a plot twist. Xander: I want to marry Anya! Buffy: No, you can't! You can't marry Anya! Xander: Why not?? Buffy: Because **I** want to marry Anya! Anya: Oh, Buffy, do you mean it? Xander: Wait, what's happening? Anya: Quiet. Buffy: I love you. Anya: You finally said it. Buffy: You told me you wanted me to. Xander: When was this now? Anya: Before Buffy died; shortly before you proposed to me. Xander: So you... got engaged twice that night? Anya: Yes. Buffy's ring was much nicer, but I could tell your feelings would be hurt if I didn't fawn over what was clearly a prize you won coming in second place for something at a county fair. She even got her's engraved. It was beautiful. Buffy: It just.. mentioned what I wanted to do on the honeymoon. It doesn't really need to be shared with everyone. Especially with my little sister in the room. Anya: Oh, they could leave if you want to do that now. Xander: Anya, can we talk about this? Buffy: You heard her, the Magic Box is now closed. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. Xander: Buffy... Anya! Anya: I mean, he could stay too... Buffy: No. Anya: Well, I tried. I'll see you at home?

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)

While I find the parts with Dawn disturbing to watch for so many reasons and the Willow and Tara stuff is hard going :'(, I do really like this episode. I particularly love Giles ending that very rude vampire :D I'm mostly with you on the matter of whether it's Giles' responsibility. As JenM said, he can totally help Buffy do it, but he isn't her dad. Dawn would have every right to say 'you're not my dad' tbh and ignore him - I don't think she'd do that in THIS episode but generally why would she have to listen to him? That would only make matters worse. BUT it also sucks that Buffy has this to deal with this along with everything else so I very much understand her wish to check out. But it's basically not Giles' fault that Hank is a shitty father. Then again, Xander, Willow, Tara, they ALL have shitty parents! Let's face it, it's a theme in the show. :/ And about Dawn stealing, in 6X01 Giles tells Anya the receipts don't add up and I've always wondered if that's supposed to be an indication that Dawn is stealing quite a bit so the cash register doesn't match the inventory or something - I dunno, I don't know anything about shops lol Otherwise, why have that line, they could have created friction simply from Giles trying to 'steal' his ornament thingy. And it would have still ended in the second best fight on the show (after Xander v Harmony obviously ;D)

Stargazer1682

I'm pretty much of the same opinion regarding Dawn and everything. Personally, I feel like this poor writing, and driving Buffy and Giles into this strange dynamic. I don't like it, because Giles had no problem telling Buffy last season, in the aptly named episode "Tough Love" that Buffy was the one who had to have talk to Dawn. Sure, he's had his moments of weakness with Buffy, like when he came running to great comedic effect at the end of the season 4 premiere, eager to help, only to show up too late. But he's otherwise a man of solid resolve and principal; and he's not one to let Buffy off the hook so easily. There are a LOT of things going on with this Dawn situation. I do agree that it seems a little too much to expect Buffy to take on a solo parenting responsibility with Dawn when she's only 20 right now. Sure, it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for Buffy to get pregnant and have to raise a child at 20; but nor does that mean she'd necessarily be ready to do that solo; which is of course why there should be many options available in that scenario... In THIS case, I don't think it should strictly be an either or thing. With my family, everyone pitches in, *to the best they can*, when other family members need them; especially it's come to kids. When my sister first had her children, my mom stepped in as practically a full time babysitter, so that both my sister and her then fiancé now husband could work. She might have groused about it being taken for granted at times, but she's also the sort who really wouldn't have it any other way either. Initially at the time my mom was still working, so there were many times I'd be the one to watch them, depending on my schedule; and failing that other plans would be made. Now of course, Dawn's a teenager, it's not a question of changing diapers and making sure she's not drawing on the walls or something (which is only okay if you're Amy Acker...). What she needs now is something different, but the principal is still the same. She needs guidance and boundaries, and of course emotional support. These are things Buffy can offer her, but it's not strictly limited to her either. It's unfair of Buffy to pass the buck to Giles; and as I said, I think it's just flat out bad writing that Giles didn't call her back and make her sit down with Dawn and talk. But that talk didn't need to just be between Dawn and Buffy, just because Buffy happens to be her legal guardian. That distinction in itself doesn't bestow the knowledge needed to be a parent. Likewise, just because Giles isn't Dawn's father or legal guardian, it doesn't preclude him from sharing his concerns or wisdom of his own experiences so Dawn can benefit from them. Buffy and Giles talking to Dawn together could have potentially created a space that would make both Buffy and Dawn more comfortable to have the conversations they needed; with Giles acting as something of a mediator, albeit one with a vested emotional interest in both of them. But Giles seems to be in an odd headspace; and the idea that it has to do with killing Ben is an interesting one, and I don't recall seeing that theorized in past discussions. We don't know what the situation was like while Buffy was dead, but we know that Giles decided to return to England and felt comfortable leaving Dawn in the care of Tara and Willow; a sentiment that on the surface seems reasonable, especially with Tara in the mix, but objectively, and just as in the case with Buffy, both Willow and Tara are still very young and it seems kind of naive of Giles to think that they're both emotionally prepared and mature enough for that responsibility. Tara seems more so ready than Willow; she has a natural motherly quality to her - which, for some reason I feel like that might be more Amber coming through more than anything - maybe her thinking more along the lines of "how would *I* talk to Dawn in this situation, as opposed to how would Tara, who's maybe slightly, relatively closer in age. It always seemed odd for Giles to leave then, when the circumstances seemed precarious without the Slayer, but clearly he had no idea Buffy would ever come back. I mean, the financial situation alone must have been known then. Did no one seriously tell Giles in the first place? I still don't get why no one, not even Giles or Anya, have recommended downgrading to an apartment, at least for Buffy and Dawn. They don't need, and can't afford, a whole fucking house. But I do see Giles going through his own emotional difficulties at the beginning of the season; not just with him killing Ben, but losing Buffy. I feel like they've alluded to it a few times over the years how much of a toll that takes on a Watcher to lose their Slayer; and even talked about it with the Buffy Bot, saying how he "did what every Watcher before him did. Got his Slayer killed". That's how he looks at it. He got her killed. He feels responsible; probably even more so because of the tenseness of the situation going in, telling her how she would have to kill Dawn, but true to her nature, she found another way. He probably felt like he underestimated her resolve to protect Dawn, but at the same time responsible for in some way; like she gave her life to prove him wrong. There might even be a hint of doubt, that if he'd had enough faith in her to stop Glory and save Dawn, maybe he could have helped more somehow and made it so neither would have to jump. I think all of that would reasonably way on him. That, or my theory that Joyce was secretly a smuggler, using her "gallery" as a front; and at some point she recruited Giles as her fence. Then she suddenly died of "natural causes," and her business partner suddenly flees the country a few months later... 🤔

Bud Haven

I agree that Buffy needs to take on the role of parent to Dawn. Giles could perhaps do it but he doesn't feel like it's his place. So Buffy has to do it. When Dawn started stealing, it could have been after her mother died. Or it could have been a reaction to finding out she was the key.