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Buffy 6x8 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2022-11-13 17:00:14
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Brendan O'Connor

Willow: “Well, well, well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions…” By the way this is my favorite version of Michelle Branch singing “Goodbye To You”, it came out right about this time/possibly after it was released on the radio.

Lee

I think you might have missed it but Willow's spell wasn't just for Buffy to forget her time in heaven. She was also casting the spell for Tara to forget their fight as well. Willow learned nothing and Tara was right to be scared of the path Willow was going down with the magic.

HuntingSwan

You voiced a lot of my opinions already about Giles. I just feel so angry at him. Some of it may be the fact that I have had depression myself in the past and being told to 'pull myself together' and 'just be strong' 'stand on my own two feet' when I have this crippling illness, it's so triggering to hear. Your swimming analogy was great. I would say it's also like seeing a bridge lose one of its support pillars and your response being 'hey let's knock down the rest of the pillars, that will make it stronger!' No, you asshole, the bridge will COLLAPSE. Like she needs all the support she can get. This is why I refuse to believe he left for the reasons he said. Anyway great reaction!

Gau Thier

I always thought that during this conversation, Giles tried to convince himself, not to convince Buffy. Just like Something Blue, this is one of the most hilarious sad episodes.

Nogusta

In my opinion, Willow's has a long history of putting herself first and not really considering others before using magic - at least as far back as when she was going to do her "de-lusting" spell and lied to Xander about what it was. I think she often gets a pass on it because she's quirky and funny.

zerofk

(I typed this while watching, and then near the end of the video you made a similar remark; but I had already typed it so I'm keeping it.) Hush was followed by Doomed; The Body by Forever. Good episodes both, but not top tier. This time however the amazing Once More With Feeling is followed by another great episode in my opinion. Some of the jokes are a bit too ridiculous for me but most of them, and all of the drama, are wonderful. The loan shark is extremely on the nose and usually I wouldn't like it, but the actor does a great job at making it not seem ridiculous - I like him. I have to say I get Giles' reasoning. With the money issues he wanted to help Buffy by going through everything together but she runs off to talk to Angel. Then with Dawn sneaking out on Halloween Buffy didn't even _consider_ handling it, she just assumed Giles would take care of it. So I feel it's not strange that Giles feels he's enabling her lethargy. Would it be better if he told her this straight up, rather than leave in an attempt to force her to take control? Probably. Should he stay closer even if he did move out? Again, probably so. But Giles too is human, and he too makes mistakes. Even if he makes the wrong choice here, he makes it out of good intention. So I cannot be angry at him for leaving. I am sad for it, but not angry.

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)

So many thoughts *cracks knuckles* Many people never forgive Giles for this, and I really get that. Part of me wants to punch him in the face and shake him. He's making a terrible decision. But then Giles has made a few poor decisions when he lets his emotions rule his thought processes and I think that's happening here. He's added 2 and 2 and come up with 5. However, another part of me always desperately wants to give the man a hug and sit him down to talk some sense into him. So, yeah, I have forgiven him. Having said that, if you never forgive him that's totally valid lol Many many people have argued about the nature of Buffy and Giles' relationship over the years. Some are 'he is her dad, the end' others 'he is her Watcher'. This won't ever be resolved lol I think the reason why I love their relationship so much is that IMO it is SO MUCH MORE than father-daughter and SO MUCH messier. Giles was brought up to believe that the Slayer is a weapon. He also knows that when she dies it will be in some way his fault. I believe that he has spent 5 years trying to draw a line in the sand. I think he firmly believes he cannot be her father AND her Watcher. How could he send Buffy out, potentially to die, if he truly thought of himself as her father? How can he properly protect her AND the world? But sometimes he steps over that line, or Buffy drags him across it and therein lies the problem. Every time Buffy has explicitly asked him to step into the role of father he's deflected. I believe him when he sings about wanting to be but he doesn't think he should. More importantly, I don't think he thinks he can. The way I see it is this. In 6x01 he literally told Buffybot that he thinks Buffy would have been better off without him. He has spent 5 months thinking about this and those are the conclusions he came to. They sound crazy to us, but that's where he is right now. I think the reason is that he has looked back over the previous 5 years and come to some bad conclusions. He arrived in Sunnydale not really knowing what to expect and very quickly threw the Slayers Handbook out and did it his own way, becoming emotionally attached in the process (much more than he should I'm sure). By 1x12 he is willing to face the Master if it will give her any chance of staying alive. But of course, that doesn't happen and she dies. There's some fall out from this but he gets away with it in season 1. Still, it's a warning sign, become too emotionally attached, bad things happen. In season 2, however, he gets in deeper. He acts IMO the most father-like in season 2. Episodes like Lie to Me, Innocence, dumping Jenny, basically much of the second half of season 2. There's also the thorny issue of Jenny, somebody else he became emotionally attached to (and I think part of the cause of him coming around to the idea of 'being Buffy's kinda dad'). And then comes Becoming 2. For the insane long shot that he's talking to real Jenny he sells out the world. He must know where he is, Angel could be listening, and yet he tells 'Jenny' how to open Acathla and the upshot of this is the trauma of Buffy sending Angel to hell. For me this is the most important episode for Giles in the entire show. After this he is a lot more emotionally distant - both in terms of relationships AND with Buffy. He barely makes another connection in the show. None that he didn't know before or who were the partner of one of the scoobies. He cuts himself off from his emotional life and CRUCIALLY he never again has anybody to talk to. I put quite a lot of weight on this, how many of his mistakes over the years could have been avoided if he'd just had somebody to talk to? Would Jenny have let him perform the cruciamentum, ignore Buffy's plea for help in 4x01, leave now? I don't think so. He has been on his own, the one adult in the room, for 4 years now. So, he comes back in season 3 in his three piece suit of armour, he does not get emotionally invested in Faith, he performs the cruciamentum ffs. It is only after THAT episode that he realises that he has to change and tries his utmost to make it up to Buffy, and he starts stepping over the line again. But I think he tells himself that it's to help Buffy NOT because he wants to be her dad - he doesn't deserve to be, could a dad have poisoned her? Bad things happen when he wants things. And really the only things he's ever wanted in the show are Jenny and Buffy :'( Season 4, Giles and Buffy are very distant, and their relationship is IMO the least like father-daughter. Nothing TOO traumatic happens to Buffy in season 4 tbh, personally at least. I would say that, though he was miserable, he'd count that as a success. After she asks him to be her Watcher again at the start of season 5 I think he also tries to be a more distant Watcher. He even asks for some respect in the car in 5x02, because he's her Watcher again. Of course, this is all blown out of the water when Joyce dies. He HAS to step up and IMO he does. He throws caution to the wind and he IS there for her. He helps her pick out coffins, take phone calls and plan the funeral, cooks for them, does the washing up, tries to make up for the death of her mother and total absence of her father. IMO he has made a decision to step over the line. And then Buffy dies. IMO Giles genuinely thinks he's fucked up with Buffy. Every time he tries to become emotionally invested TERRIBLE things happen. He did his best to avoid Buffy dying, even going so far as to kill an unarmed and 'harmless' human, but in the end he couldn't change anything. He's had 5 months to think about this. And yes, I think there's more to it. I think he never processed the trauma of Jenny's death and everything that happened in Becoming 2. I think he's buried his emotions since he had to accept that Angel was back and Buffy's needs superseded his own. I think he's tried his best but his best got her killed, twice. He has always known that he was a fuck up. Dropping out, raising demons, getting people killed, and killing Ben. He's a lost cause in his eyes I think. And the further he can get away from Sunnydale the better. Unfortunately he is blind to the emotional damage he is causing and desperately clings on to the idea that he's making the right call for all of them. I cried for I don't know how long when he left. And I still want to punch him in the face :D

SpikesEcho

Not a huge fan of this episode, just doesn't stick in my mind when conjuring favorite episodes. But it has some delightfully funny bits (Anya and Giles for me 😂)

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)

Also, I love this episode (even while I'm hating it) because I'm not sure any show can do abject misery to comedy and back again like Buffy does. I also ship Giles and Anya 😍 their chemistry is off the charts and I just love them. I get why a lot of people don't but, I do 😆 And you're right, I think it's the best follow up to an epic episode! In fact (shhh, don't tell anybody) I prefer it marginally to OMWF. 🤫

Britney

I love this episode! It's another favorite of mine from season 6. The ending is really sad, but I love Michelle Branch's performance. I've always thought she was such an underrated artist. The comedic element to this episode is top tier. I think my favorite part about it is Anya and Giles. LOL

Robin Davies

Parts of this episode are foreshadowed by Xander’s dream in Restless. 1) Spike is wearing similar clothes. 2) Giles says “Spike’s like a son to me.” 3) Xander: “Like a shark with feet, and much less fins.” Spike: “And on land.” Tabula Rasa is Latin for"blank slate" and (says Wikipedia) is the theory that individuals are born without built-in mental content, and therefore all knowledge comes from experience or perception. The fact that Willow used this phrase suggests that she chose too strong a spell. Instead of just deleting everyone’s bad memories she wiped their brains almost clean, leaving almost “blank slates”.

Raven Dark

I'm writing this after reading the comments, but before watching this reaction, so bear that in mind. I just feel like I can't hold off. The way I see Giles leaving is this. He knows he doesn't have the willpower to stop himself from helping Buffy unless he literally can't because he isn't there. And he knows Buffy will always turn to him unless she can't because he isn't there. So he removes himself from the equation. He does it out of love, and because he doesn't see a better way, so, like others, I forgive him. I get why some can't though.

rattusprat

Loan shark demon. Do you get it? Do you get it? So camp. Also, to some extent I would say you just wanting Willow and Tara to stay together, without caring about the details, just asking the writers to just make it so, is putting you in a mindset similar to where Willow is at. Willow just wanted Tara to stay with her, but didn't care about how.

UTU49

If you don't know what "tabula rasa" means, then you are going into this episode as a "tabula rasa".

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Sadness, hilarity, and a big step forward (?) for all the Spuffy stans out there. This episode practically has it all.

UTU49

This is a "sandwich episode". It begins and ends with "pain-bread", and it's got "comedy-meat" in between. Other observations. "Pain" is the french word for "bread". This is the episode where Buffy jumped the shark.

Emily Brown

"Now that Giles knows Buffy was in heaven, I expect him to act differently." Yeah, you would think...

Raven Dark

I loved this reaction, just like I thought I would. Man, most of it is so funny, and then it just gets so sad. No show blends emotional swings like Buffy. Xander's line when he laughed right after everyone's memories came back was, "Sorry, I just got back the memory of seeing King Ralph." King Ralph is an 1991 comedy film starring John Goodman. It's got that silly, slapsticky sort of humor. I haven't seen it, but I watched the trailer, and it looks like exactly the kind of thing Xander would think is funny, and it seems like just the thing that might pop into someone's head when memories come flooding back, making you laugh in a moment that everyone else thinks is random and inappropriate.

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)

I think one of the problems they had with this epiosde and OMWF is that there were things they wanted/needed to happen but they were in conflict. They wanted Buffy to tell them she was in heaven but it was set up that she didn't want to. A realistic way of doing that is to 'force' her to do it in a song. So, now they all know. They also wanted ASH in OMWF (partly because ASH would STILL be sulking if he left and THEN they had a muscial episode lol partly because they wanted him to sing in it :D). They wanted Tara and Giles to leave in the same episode to have a huge dramatic finale to Tabula Rasa, which meant that Tara has to find out about the memory spell in OMWF. So now they have a problem. Either Tara leaves immediately (understandable) and Giles leaves almost the moment he learns that Buffy was in heaven (huh?!?!). Or Tara has to hang around for an episode (really? why would she?) and Giles gets an episode where they could write something that would make it clear why he's still leaving. In the end they went with Tara acting rationally and Giles looking like a bit of a dick.

Shelly

Yay I was so excited when you mentioned my point specifically about Dawn stealing things as a direct result of being ignored. Thank you!!!!

Shelly

Oh boy, I had a depressing thought. I think the reason Buffy seems to be a new, worse level of depressed at the end of this episode has to do with the fact she got a reminder about what she used to be like before she was traumatized. "I can't even see if this is really me" was what she sang in Once More With Feeling. At least her lack of feeling also took away the memory of what it was like to be happy even before heaven. To be reminded, hey, without your trauma, you would be bubbly, snarky, compassionate and full of fun quips. She got to be the Old Buffy for a couple hours and then even THAT was taken away from her. *BRB sobbing*

Stargazer1682

This is episode inspired a piece of fan fiction I wrote: The Legacy of William Pratt A young William Pratt, before he was turned, had a dalliance with a young woman - not Cecily - but Ginny, a stuffy, rather stern looking librarian who, in 1880, not long after William’s apparent death, gave birth to a daughter, Mae. Thankfully, Ginny had the means to provide Mae with a honest upbringing, the best education and Mae became a museum curator in London. She took in a ward of the state in the form of a plucky, but bashful young girl, who tragically died during the flu pandemic of 1918. Though it was never quite clear if the girl actually ever contracted the flu or died due to some other cause. Shortly thereafter, Mae, at the age of 39, married and had a son, Richard in the fall of 1919. Richard followed in the long standing family tradition, as an academic by day, Watcher by night. He was quite entranced by his occult studies, and he was nearly 35 before he finally settled down and got married. He wed a neighbor girl that Mae set him up with; Amber Rose Sutton. She had just turned 18 when her parents were killed by vampires; and Mae took her in. Mae worried Richard would never make time to carry on the family, as he always had his head buried in a book. Richard and Amber’s son would be born almost nine months to the day after the wedding. Unfortunately, Amber would die in childbirth; and Richard would never remarry. Instead he focused on his work and raising his son, Rupert. Of course, everyone knows how Mae’s husband, Rupert Augustus Giles, whom her grandson was named after, was an American and a bombardier during the tail end of the first world war; earning him the original nickname “Ripper”, as he would say he was “letting her rip” when releasing his payload. This is of course how Rupert senior and Mae would meet; as he found himself caught up in a campaign Mae was leading on behalf of the Council, when she forged an alliance between the Council and a faction of werewolves, to stem an attack by the army of vampires Bulgaria had assembled. There's not much to note about young Giles growing up. Sort of a run of the mill childhood; all the usual childhood illnesses: chicken pox, measles. When he was 12, his first crush turned out to be the spirit of a young girl name Eris; who’s father murdered her family when possessed by a Trihorn demon. Grizzly stuff, Trihorns; nasty business. Giles tried finding and taking out the Trihorn by himself, to allow Eris to move on and he nearly lost his left arm for his trouble; and probably his life if his father hadn’t shown up when he did. Between Richard and Mae, and a couple of fellow Watchers, the Trihorn didn’t stand a chance and Eris was able to move on. That’s when Richard told young Rupert about his destiny of becoming a Watcher.

John Alexander

I'll put this on the main thread too because not a lot of you seem to be aware that Giles was actually written out in S6 because Anthony Head left the show to move back home to England. He'd been in the US for over a decade & said he wanted to spend more time with his family. A lot of the talk in the fandom at the time was that contracts were up at the end of S5 as Joss had originally wanted to end it right there. If I remember correctly the network pretty much twisted his arm for the two additional seasons. I always felt like Joss saw Willow as a stand-in for the network. The show was "complete" & ended exactly as he wanted but the network ripped Buffy back out of heaven & forced her to keep fighting, to keep "going through the motions" even though the story had already been told.

Claire Eyles

I just discovered that you're now on season 6 of Buffy so of course I had to subscribe to Patreon, because this is my absolute favourite season.

Claire Eyles

The rest of the cast had already been told that Anthony Stewart Head was returning to England when they were filming the first episode of the season. According to some of the commentary on one the UK/Australian DVD releases they had a hard time filming the original goodbye scene at the Airport, because the cast couldn't stay in character and kept getting too upset at having to say goodbye to AHS.

Janel Davis

I LOVE the fan theory about Zander lying to to cover for Dawn! That's going to be cannon in my head from now on 😊

Joits

I'm with Giles. Glad he left! *ducks*