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Buffy 6x10 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2022-11-30 17:00:13
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did we really hit rock bottom?

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Cory James

I think I'm one of the only ones who thinks Willow's magic addiction was a long time coming. You have to realize, though, that she didn't seek out Rack at first on her own. It never even occurred to her to use magic for pleasure and not just convenience. But as a lot of times, all it takes is that manipulative friend to talk you into trying it and then you think it's fine, I can do this and control it, it feels great and I'm strong. But it's actually controlling you and you end up needing it. I don't think the 'magic as drugs' things comes out of nowhere either. Giles mentions in season 2 that he and numerous other groups of people used magic specifically to get high and feel powerful. When Willow starts doing magic with Tara, we can see them 'sexually responding' to the magic and it is supposed to be a metaphor for sex before we can show them even kissing. But it can also be seen as that euphoric high feeling and can maybe infer that powerful magics give you a euphoric feedback response that might make you want to keep using even more powerful magics just to feel 'stable and normal' because your dopamine receptors are being fried. Tara honors magic and views it as a sacred tool to use in times of trouble when there is no other clear solution. Willow views magic as an actual tool that she can grab, like a hammer and some duct tape, and just fix whatever she wants how she thinks it's supposed to be because she can.

Cory James

I wanted to make a separate comment for Dawn cause I just love her so much. This is hard to watch cause Dawn is a sheltered kid. It might not seem like it cause she's exposed to vampires and demons, but Buffy barely even lets her leave the house out of fear. She is SO observant and she always has a really good read on people. So watching her squirm in that drug den while Willow got high sucked. Cut to one of her SURROGATE MOMS that took care of her in Buffy's absence (so she trusts her completely), crashing because she's intoxicated and breaking her arm. Not only is she betrayed but she's also heartbroken and probably terrified because this is BIG and she couldn't have stopped it. It's just one step further in Dawn feeling abandoned by the people around her. Dawn is also so damn strong. She planted her foot right into that demon and knocked it down. She runs away but fights whenever she is caught. Ugh. I just love her. Plus, I have to mention that instead of leaping to Buffy's defense like he did with the muggers previously, he immediately goes to Dawn and checks on her. He ACTUALLY loves Dawn unlike how he is obsessed with Buffy. He's not in love with Dawn or anything but I think he kind of feels like she was given to him to protect just as much as Buffy because not only did Dawn seek him out in the beginning cause he made her feel safe, but Buffy takes her to him to keep her safe as well and Spike took that seriously and never actually stopped and that has everything to do with Dawn which is so sweet to me. He really just genuinely cares about her cause she's just a kid. Growth. He used to eat kids.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

The "dealer" character's name is Wrack. Fun fact, it's the same actor who played the insane vampire Zachary Kralik that kidnapped Joyce and that Buffy had to defeat without her powers during the Council's coming of age test during 3x10 "Helples." The actor's name is Jeff Kober and apparently he's very good at playing creepy bad guys because Kralik and Wrack are both very heeby-jeeby-inducing lol

Shelly

“You’re bent!” “Yeah, made you scream!” I just realized what he meant 😳

Shelly

It's interesting how you compared buffy and Willow's temptations and their dangers. Willow knows she'll lose everything she loves if she doesn't quit and has more motivation to do so. Buffy's temptation is different though because it does make her feel something which she does kind of need. A therapist and SSRIs would be much better than Spike D though!! I can understand however that it's a tougher choice in some ways. Buffy feels like she has to be the hero and moral center of everybody, the world even. She won't forgive herself for being weak nor does she feel she can ask for help, because she has to be strong for both Dawn and now Willow. The garlic and crucifix are symbolic of her lack of will to quit him. She knows she won't use her body or her words to resist him, she needs help.

rattusprat

"If you could be plain old Willow or Super Willow who would you be?" We have seen a version of Willow's insecurities first hand in Restless. At least part of Willow fears that confident college Willow is just an act, a costume, one that is intertwined with her increase in magical power, but the "real Willow", or "regular old Willow", is just the insignificant nerd we met in 1x01. And in Restless when Tara sees that version of Willow she mocks and laughs along with everyone else.

FandomReferenceHere

I love you calling those three dum-dums the "little meanies" since they're so far away from being Big Bads 😂 On the serious side.... I love what the show is doing with Willow's addiction ~*metaphor*~. I think it makes a lot of sense for her character and it's dark and miserable and interesting. But I really don't like how literal they are -- like you said, not subtle at all! We could have seen Willow hit a bottom and admit she needs help without an actual drug den. Here's a question: Was Willow so quick to believe Buffy was in a hell dimension, because she really, secretly, in her heart of hearts, wanted to do that spell?

Claire Eyles

Dawn slapping Willow is such a 'hell yes' moment for me. Also 12 hours without the 'drug' of your choice can feel pretty bad, and not just from a potential physical withdrawal point of view either. Like yeah needing to use something just to not get horrendously sick is bad, but the psychological cravings with addiction are pretty crappy as well. It's like you get to a point where normal thinking goes out the window, and you just go into this tunnel vision mode where almost nothing else matters other than getting your hands on your next dose. That's not to say you lose all notions of self responsibility though, I mean yeah sure as an addict I behaved in some pretty awful ways but I couldn't really say, "Oh the drugs made me do that", because realistically I was the one who kept making half hearted attempts to get out of the addiction, whilst still choosing to put a needle in my arm several times a day; I mean it's not like the heroin just magically flew through the air and attacked me. Same thing with Willow and her addiction to magic, in my opinion. She's had years of people ignoring some pretty big red flags about her growing use of magic, then she crosses a huge line when she starts abusing her girlfriend mentally, and gets called out on it and given an ultimatum by Tara & her choice is to just continue to do more magic & go even harder with it. Addiction, physical dependence, and psychological cravings notwithstanding there does come a time when you have to take some responsibility for your own actions, and so the moment Dawn slapped her was absolutely justified.

Claire Eyles

I love that you picked up on the sexual element of what Rack was doing when he said, "I'm just gonna take a little tour', because not many people do pick up on that. That whole scene before the totally non subtle magic drug trip scene is basically meant to be Willow prostituting herself for a hit of magic. Rack saying she tastes like strawberries and later calling her strawberry is a pretty big give away for that as well, because 'strawberry' is an old slang term for a prostitute. Plus then add on her crying under the shower, and later saying to Buffy that she did things she looks like she can't even really speak about, and yep, Willow exchanged energy sex for magic drugs.

Claire Eyles

I know Dawn's 15, so still a kid just not like a little kid, but Willow thinking it was even remotely okay to take her into what is basically a drug den is one of the more disturbing elements in this episode to me. One thing that used to make me so damn angry, even when I was full on into my own addiction, was seeing people turn up to a drug house with their kids in tow. I'm talking like toddler age up to 5/6 years old, little kids sitting in a drug den with their so called parents while people around them shot up and/or nodded out from being high on heroin. It was disgusting and so bloody infuriating. It didn't matter how much I was hanging out, or craving a hit, that was one thing I could never bring myself to do and that was shoot up in front of a child - some people didn't seem to have an issue with that though, which just made it even worse. I don't care how bad anyone's addiction to anything is you do not bring kids into that sort of environment, ever. Like no, just no, absolutely 100% no!

Claire Eyles

"You have to want to change in order for it to work". I'd say this statement is pretty accurate, & insightful on your part (I've enjoyed a lot of your insights on these past couple of episodes). I did spend a lot of my time as an addict trying not to be an addict, but it was like all the different rehabs and treatment programs I tried there was still a part of me that was thinking, "I guess I should try and get better", instead of really, honestly saying, "I have a serious problem here, I need to ask for help, I need to get better and I want to get better and I am fully prepared to do whatever work I have to do in order for that to happen". That was the tipping point for me, that moment when I really accepted that I needed and wanted to get better, rather than just making these sort of part attempts where I was all like, "Yeah I guess I should probably try and get clean" followed by me almost immediately failing the various treatments I was in.

Britney

This episode is dark, but it's one of my favorites from season 6. Buffy has always used metaphors for real life issues, but I'll admit that this addiction storyline is more of an in your face one. I really like it though. Like you said, people can debate about who the big bad is in this season, but honestly, I would say the big bad of season 6 is life and its issues. I also agree that the trio are pretty annoying. They're probably my least favorite villains of the show.

Stargazer1682

I think I've said it before, but it's very refreshing to hear you talk objectively about Spike and Buffy, and not be into the scene from the last episode. So many reactors (and fans) just gush unrepentantly about them together.

Stargazer1682

This also raises the question, now that Buff's had sex with *two* vampires, does that make her a necrophiliac?

Stargazer1682

I really hate this episode. Apart from Giles' offhand comment in season 2 about the one spell he used to do with his buddies that was an "incredible high," we've never seen magic be used this way before; and this is definitely not the reason Willow has been using magic. But suddenly there's a dealer and she's inclined to go there just to bliss out on ambiguous "magics" that don't do anything than make her feel good. This element comes out of left field, when this entire time, her problem hasn't been a dependence on magic, but a lack of applicable ethics in her use of magic. She feels that because she can do something, that gives her the right to do it. And that's the problem with the likes of Tara taking issue with both using magic for the party favors at Xander and Anya's impromptu engagement party, and using magic to zap people at the Bronze into another dimension or wipe people's memories. This season the show has been indiscriminate about the type of magic being used and just lumped it all together to create the wrong problem with Willow's magic use. Lexi even points this out with Willow closing the blind (or her inability to, because she was wiped). If you can use magic to close the curtains, or create decorations that will disappear on their own, and do that without hurting anyone or needing to sacrifice a virgin or something, who gives a shit? If you can use magic to directly interface with a computer, why wouldn't you? Ostensibly using magic side-steps the immediate problems of merging the human brain with technology; and you don't have to deal with Elon Musk, so that seems like a win-win. We're also going to overlook that Willow could barely teleport Glory last season, and now appears to be more powerful than a god. If they had been showing her prior to this episode doing magic because it made her feel good, or altered her state of mind, that'd be one thing, but they haven't. This season seems to completely ignore why or how she's used magic; when it's always been her sense of entitlement to use every resource to do whatever she wanted and her obliviousness to any possible consequences; whether it was computers or magic. But this episode makes it out to be something else, and I absolutely fucking hate it.

Andrew Pulrang

The portrayal of Amy in this episode is great. I love it when a minor character with just a few scenes is so funny and raw and real. I love when she says, "No, that's fair. I was a rat." I also love it when she's being slightly roughed up by Buffy. Amy's queasy grunts with each shake really communicate her very specific type of suffering at that moment. And I love it when she says, "I think I'm gonna boot." Boot was the go-to slang term when I was in college in the late '80. Do people still say "boot" for vomit?