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Buffy 6x13 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2022-12-21 17:00:07
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i hate them so much

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Cory James

I have always truly hated Warren. The other two I vary on like the rest of the characters who do awful things but also are good characters (Jonathan why?). But Warren? There's actual real hate for him.

Matt E.

One of the very few episodes of Buffy i will never rewatch

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Some dark, frighteningly real stuff in this one and I suspect that's at least part of the reason why it bothers some folk as much as it does. The ones that make us feel icky are meant to make us feel icky and this episode, for good, bad, or otherwise, sure does a good job of that😬

Claire Eyles

This is the episode, for me at least, where the mask completely slips from Warren and we see him for the psychopathic misogynistic monster he truly is. Johnathon and Andrew certainly don't get a pass on their behaviour, but at least they both look genuinely horrified when Katrina screams the word 'r-pe' at them; they really have been little boys playing at being men, so caught up in their fantasy world of being comic book villains that they didn't even consider what they were planning on doing was r-ping a woman. Warren, on the other hand, just stands their looming behind Katrina, no reaction or response to her calling them out on trying to r-pe her, just nothing but pure menace. There's definitely an argument to be made that out of all the 'big bads' or wannabee 'big bads' on the show, Warren is the most heinous of them all.

zerofk

The trio certainly escalated this episode. At least the show explicitly calls out that it is indeed rape. Right before killing her... Buffy's "So that's why time went all David Lynch?" is likely a reference to Lynch's Twin Peaks. Great show, even if it can be very confusing. That last scene is heartbreaking. Tara is the best.

Freefall

The spike and buffy stuff definitely felt a bit dramatic this episode... I mean spike is already dramatic but it was way more than usual. I didn't really like the balcony scene. I guess it was supposed to be feel weird/uncomfortable but the dialogue seemed off to me.

Shelly

This is the fifth time I’ve seen this episode and I just realized…Spike is not actually there in the majority of their scenes. She’s fantasizing about it. The balcony, the graveyard, her bedroom. The dreamy music is always playing during those scenes.

Stargazer1682

Damn, I don't know how I missed this reaction. I was starting to watch the next Buffy episode, seriously trying to figure out how it was the Buffy Birthday episode, when I knew there were some plot points in between... Yes, Warren is the worst.

Stargazer1682

This is a heavy, dark episode, in a season that already dark and heavy, but I think it was also needed to give some weight to the Trio. Not only is the facade gone with Warren for the audience, but I think Jonathan has a clearer idea of the reality of things too. There are some things we don't think about until it's too late. Jonathan's hard to give too much slack, because he's made at least two of those poor choices already, and it's a hard lesson he should have learned. But I think he also got swept up in the fantasy element; and the novel concept of being a so-called "supervillain"; where if he was anything like the comic book variety, you can do mischievous things without there ever being serious consequences. You make narrow escapes, or trick the protagonist and it all just seems like a game. But here it clearly sinks in for Jonathan, I think even more than for Andrew; whereas Warren - he knew what he was doing, he just didn't care. This is also where though I feel they went off the rails with Willow's story veering into a forced addiction metaphor, because I think her story more closely parallels Warren's and more broadly the Trio; where she didn't consider the implications of what she was doing. And not unlike in this episode, Willow used magic to manipulate Tara and bend her will; and to make it worse, the implications of "I'm Under Your Spell" is that they have sex while Tara is under the influence of Willow's magic; which is very bad.

Stargazer1682

"It's Spike that's eating up all her time.... And eating her out... 👀😁" God bless Lexi and her dirty mind. 😍

Stargazer1682

I want to say again how much I appreciate your objectivity when it comes to Spike and Buffy. I have never really understood the appeal of them as a couple, least of all to the extent and passion that many of those shippers have. The idea one of the other commenters made that Buffy was fantasizing about Spike in some of these scenes is interesting, but I don't think was what the show was going for. There's a clear parallel between Spike's dynamic with Buffy and what's going on with Warren and Katrina and the mentality of the three idiots overall. Spike's been gaslighting her, enforcing this idea that she's come back "wrong" and he's the only one who can understand her or that she can turn to. Now the whole thing on the balcony and telling her to keep her eyes open is designed entirely to deepen her sense of shame, while further making her feel isolated from her friends. And it's working. A common refrain in this episode is how unavailable Buffy's been; and besides work, Spike really is preoccupying a great deal of her time. He's manipulating her just as effectively, if not more so, as Warren and the others were with Katrina with them using magic. And there's an depressing irony here, or at least I think it's ironic, that there is such a strong fanbase for Buffy and Spike; and even where some will at least acknowledge how toxic it is and how "in real life they'd never condone it" it's sort of the core problem when it comes to Warren, Jonathan and Andrew; because they too are enacting this disturbing, toxic fantasy; and they don't see it for what it is until it's pointed out, because in their minds - or at least in Andrew and Jonathan's minds - it's this harmless game like they've seen played out in fiction. Yet there has been this contradiction with some viewers who will in one instance recognize and decry the Trio for what they're doing, and on the other cheer Spike and Buffy on - maybe acknowledging that it's toxic, but not really caring; or even leaning into the idea that this is somehow mostly Buffy's fault and that she's actually the one mistreating Spike, or that because they're both using each other, it makes it alright. It's just dissonant.

Martin Waits

your reaction to the trio here is the same one i have whenever i do a rewatch and get to ep4 of this season. the first 3 episodes are so good and then i'm reminded of the villains.