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Stargazer1682

I had an Alley reaction and a Riley reaction I haven't watched yet, but the second I saw your thumbnail and realized which episode this was, I knew I had to watch it first. You're definitely not wrong about this show managing to twist the knife harder than Buffy sometimes. I'll never get the people who don't like this series or find it boring.

Stargazer1682

I'm not a fan of Holtz, not just the actions, but a lot of the execution. I think the actor does a fairly good job, and there's a good amount of backstory, but there's something wanting. The first time we see him, he's rolling in out of the blinding sunlight, wearing the cool tinted glasses, even though it's the late 1700s. I've looked it up and they *technically* existed, but it seems too anachronistic; and clearly trying to make him seem edgy. After that, he's too good at what he does; and it's not earned. He can casually kill whomever he wants to kill - except the show protagonist, because plot armor. He can get people to follow him effortlessly. There's seemingly no culture shock jump 200+ years into the future. He acclimates pretty much immediately. I was going to try and dive a little into his psychology, because he is someone who lost everything, and then lost himself in his beliefs of absolutism, but he's just a zealot. And not even a particularly compelling one. It's not uncommon for zealots to abandon their own beliefs for what they claim is a righteous cause, but Holtz kind of goes beyond the pale of that. You don't necessarily get the sense that he actually believes in anything, even when he talks about demons and being damned; so he's just doing it for shits and giggles. Angel and Darla hadn't even killed his family when he started going after them, which seemed to come in the middle; so even his motivations are a little muddled.

Chess Red Eagle

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it already, but Sahjhan is played by the same actor that played the Werewolf Hunter in Buffy season 2. Just a little fun fact to maybe distract from probably the most depressing arc in the buffyverse.

Stargazer1682

Side note, the girl in the White Room is played by Kay Panabaker. If you're familiar with The Flash, Kay's sister, Danielle Panabaker, is a series regular.

zerofk

Well Wesley's alive. Angel wishes he wasn't though.

Stargazer1682

Oh, that ending though. "I didn't turn into Angelus. It's important to me that you know that. This isn't Angelus talking to you, it's me, Angel. You know that, right?" That's so fucking good. Dark, but good.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Not only is this one of the best episodes in terms of reactions for obvious reasons, it's also just a Tier 1 episode within my own personal rankings. David's acting is phenomenal. The tiny cracks in his voice in both the Cordy/presents for Connor speech as well as the end scene, the cold determined fury in the torture scene, all of it, just so good. We've seen scary Angel in a few moments here and there before but this is some next level shit. And your reaction, not just to those big scenes but some of the quieter moments as well..."Maybe he was just having a staring contest, with the grass" Bruh, I'm done...😥

Phoenix Dawn

Two amazing endings in a row. This season is so great!

Robin Davies

I like your idea that the most despicable villains are the ones who think they are doing good. Maybe that's why I got so angry watching The Leftovers...

Brendan O'Connor

“I’m not your boyfriend, find somebody else to smack you around.” Was such a savage statement that it gave Justine psychic damage.