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Buffy 6x20 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-02-26 17:01:00
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Salix

I cannot wait to watch this.

ivyboundmoon

When I think of this episode I think of Captain Holt from Brooklyn 99 yelling VINDICATION! It's funny you mention about flashbacks to The Body as the ambulance drivers are the same actors as in that episode.

Claire Eyles

Yes, let's go! Willow the Misogynist Flayer is in the house! Ahem, I mean Dark Willow Rises! :D

Claire Eyles

I legit love the scene between Rack and Warren. The way Rack just keeps casually belittling him, while Warren still thinks he's the big man of the town. "Killing a slayer that's big business for a kid", "I'm not a kid", "Oh-kay"...."The Trio, yeah you've heard of us", "Right, what were you a band or something?" Fucking LOL!

John Alexander

Honestly having trouble understanding Willow in this episode... must be all that pity dick in her mouth. Oh boo hoo your girlfriend is dead... I know it's mean, I don't care. EVERYBODY'S got dead people. That's no excuse to get everybody else dead along the way.

Neburcs

I did not like Buffy's speech. As you mentioned she was prepared to kill Faith in order to heal Angel and save him from death. Buffy should understand exactly what Willow is going through. That being said I do agree with her point that they need to save Willow from the magic and save her from doing something she can't undo. We've all seen what murdering a human could do to someone, just look at what happened to Faith after she accidentally killed a human. That's what my logical brain is thinking, that we need to save Willow. My emotions however are cheering for Willow.

Britney

Yay, we've finally reached the Dark Willow era! Some people don't like it, but it's one of my favorite arcs of the show. I also love how this has been hinted at throughout the show. For example, in Something Blue when D'Hoffryn offers to make Willow a vengeance demon. You can see that she has the mind and capability for it because he probably doesn't pick just anybody. We also see some hints of her earlier this season in Smashed and Wrecked, but now she's really going off the rails.

Leenis

We saw it way back when she was prepared to curse Oz for cheating on her.

Raven Dark

I don't see Buffy as being okay with what Spike did. I see her as putting aside what he did and her feelings over it in order to keep Dawn safe. To me, Buffy isn't taking Dawn to Spike's because, oh, well, he tried to rape me, but who cares. They were stuck. Dawn can't be left on her own, not necessarily because of her age, but because Warren is still out there, and we know he might go after people Buffy cares about. Spike's love for Buffy was always twisted and dark, but we've seen that his care for Dawn was genuine, and he has never done anything to hurt her. If you are stuck, what do you do? I think it's meant to have the feel of turning to evil because there is no other option. Buffy is deciding that keeping Dawn safe is more important than her own feelings, and she thinks that despite what Spike did to Buffy, he's still a better option than Dawn ending up like Tara. I also don't think Buffy is sad that Spike's gone. I think that look was because she's sad that his being gone means she can't get closure or fully deal with what he did. As far as leaving her with Clem, I think Buffy gets the feeling he's a good demon, the same we do, or at least that he wouldn't harm a human (he did gamble for kittens once). She's working with what she's got. As far as Buffy's thinking that Willow shouldn't kill Warren, but her willingness to kill Faith is fine. I think there's a lot of layers there. The biggest difference between the two is that Buffy tried to kill Faith in effort to save someone's life. I'd like to think that she wouldn't have tried to kill Faith if, at the time, she thought there was another way to save Angel. Yes, she was feeling vengeful when she went after her, but I don't think she would have gone after her solely out of revenge. Willow trying to kill Warren is pure vengeance. There's no other cause under it. It isn't even because she's trying to stop him from hurting anyone else. I also think that things have changed with Faith in her turning herself in and Buffy has grown a lot since season 3, to the point where, now, she probably would react differently to that situation with Faith. She might try harder to find another way to save Angel or something. That said, that speech she gave Xander and Dawn might have worked better if Xander had pointed out the thing with Faith and Buffy had either said, yeah, and I know that was wrong, or, yeah, I did that to save a life. And finally, I think that Willow killing Warren is different because she's doing it with magic that will corrupt her, and stopping her from killing him is as much about saving Willow as it is saving Warren. Hope this makes sense. Great reaction, Lexi, and can't wait to watch the rest of the series with you!

Aurro Eronaile

Totally understand your anger sis, I was just as angry when I saw it live ~20 years ago.. BtVS is still and has always been my favorite series ever though.. also, I don’t know if you’ve heard but Joss Whedon intentionally added Amber Benson into the opening credits in the episode she died in, he wanted to do that for Jesse back in the series premiere but at the time they didn’t have the budget for a second set of opening credits, so he sat on the idea for 6 seasons and finally used it for Tara 💔

zerofk

Dawnie... "I didn't want to leave her alone." She's a 15 year old girl who didn't know what to do, but her love made her stay with Tara's body until someone else showed up. In the last two years she has lost her mother, her sister (though she did come back), and now her surrogate mother as well. And I have to give it to Adam Busch: he plays scared little bitch just as well as misogynist bastard.

zerofk

When Buffy tried to kill Faith this was specifically because she needed her blood to cure Angel. The witch and the knights were in self defence. And she lets demons live all the time of course. Ultimately I think that Buffy is the one with the power, and therefore she draws the lines. For previous slayers I suppose it would've been the watchers, but Buffy doesn't answer to them anymore. She graduated, in her words. So there doesn't really seem to be anyone to impose rules on her. I guess it's a good thing she has that strong sense of right and wrong - even if the lines aren't always clear to someone looking in from the outside.

x_Rhi_x

Can't wait for your reaction to the next one hehe! Did you like how willow says "bored now." Befor flaying Warren in the exact same way vampire willow did?. Not such a huge difference between humans and their vampire versions, and of what they're capable....and it's always such a great moral debate in this show about good and evil. Nothings black and white. Who deserves justice? Forgiveness? Death? It's so tricky!

Martin Waits

This when you get to root for Dark Willow. 😀

Derek Garrard

No matter how much Warren sucks, I will never agree with those who cheer murder and declare it justice. It's bloody and hollow revenge, plain and simple.

cosmotron

I've always believed that it should have been Xander who died instead of Tara. This isn't me hating on him. All my criticisms of him aside, I don't hate Xander at all. But talking from a writing perspective, and from a character perspective, I've always thought that killing Tara to get Willow to go down this path was the cheaper and much less interesting choice. Xander has been around since s1. His death would have a profound impact on *everyone* not to mention the show itself, and would make all the conversations that happen afterward immensely more complicated. Would Buffy be so quickly against killing Warren when it's Xander who died? How would Anya feel, after wanting Xander to be hurt for what he did to her, only to have him die? I think a lot of the same story beats could have been hit if it were Xander instead of Tara. You really wouldn't have to change too much. Warren still shoots, and one of the shots goes through the window and hits Tara. Except, instead of an incredibly dead-on heart shot, she was just badly wounded. In a panic, Willow immediately teleports both herself and Tara to the hospital. Not realizing that by doing so, she has left another loved one behind: Xander, who pulled Buffy back just as Warren shot, and is now bleeding out on the ground while Buffy pleads for him to hold on. I definitely think Xander's death would be enough to send Willow into a vengeful rage, and once she starts using that magic not even Tara would be able to convince her to stop. As is, it feels like Tara died only after she just started to feel like a full character, with unique friendships (like the one she has been forming with Buffy, and the relationship she built with Dawn when Buffy died). Xander has been a fully realized character for a long time, and therefore his death would have hit more powerfully. And in my opinion, been a better and more interesting choice. I've heard rumor that this was a similar fate to what was planned for Oz back in the day. Maybe that's true, but if so it would have been with a character we'd had since the 2nd season. So, again, someone who would have had the time to be a complete character for multiple seasons. Anyway, I'll talk about this more as you finish the season. Don't want to go into spoilers.

mary smith

As some others have mentioned, I don't think Buffy is Ok with what spike did or has moved passed it. I think we are just seeing once again the burden it takes to be a hero. Buffy's personal trauma always comes second to the big picture in her eyes. I think it's a pretty recurring theme that Buffy never gets the proper time to deal with her own trauma, because she is too busy saving the world. Wrong or right, it's consistent at least...

Adoreandu

There's a throwaway line in S6E03 when they're fighting this demon they think hitched from hell with Buffy but was actually created by the dark spell they did to ressurect her. Willow says something along the lines of, the universe doesn't want you to get something as good as having Buffy alive again for nothing, so it has to have a price, take this demon too. And Anya says "that's not a price, that's a gift with purchase". And no one really pays attention to it, but Anya was right. That one easily defeated demon was never the price of bringing Buffy back, Tara's life is. Tara's innocent life is the equivalent in goodness to having Buffy, the real sacrifice that Willow's killing of the fawn symbolically represented. Tara's fate was sealed from Bargaining.

rattusprat

We get Dark Lexi back just in time for Dark Willow. Love it. As for the line of when Buffy should or shouldn't step in and kill a human or demon - well that line is a very blurry one. Buffy, and other characters in the Buffyverse, has been trying to figure out where this line is since this was explicitly brought up as a dilemma in Lie To Me. I think Buffy's position has changed throughout the course of the 6 seasons, and may yet change further, who knows? I don't think Buffy would be able to define a hard line with defined rules that she can apply to all scenarios - its like pornography - she knows it when she sees it. But that's just like real life - any attempt to create a rigid moral code will never work because there will always be exceptions and unique scenarios.

Adoreandu

Re: who is okay to kill; Buffy's sense of morality has definitely evolved as she has grown up. It started with a fairly black-and-white world, humans good demons bad. Then she learns about Angel and he becomes the one exception to the "demons bad" rule. She has generally stood by the no killing humans rule, except on self-defense, even the witch in S1 was trapped in a statue by her own spell reflected back to her, not by something that Buffy did. In season 2, things get more complicated. Her human friend tries to kill her and a bunch of other people to become a vampire and she leaves him behind to die while saving the others. Her boyfriend turns into a scary monster and then back to his good self again, and she sends him to hell to save the world. Things aren't always black-and-white. In season 3, Faith kills a man a pretends to feel no remorse, refuses to accept responsibility and consequences for her actions. Yes, Faith has superpowers, but she also has a soul, and Buffy goes out of her way to try and get Faith to be redeemed; only after it's clear that Faith has joined the mayor and has killed more humans (and poisons Angel, can't leave that out) does Buffy decide that it's necessary to kill her. Any way, this is long enough as it is. The morality of killing beings with vs. beings without a soul is potentially a plot hole generator for the show. Ultimately, Buffy believes in redeeming what can be redeemed and killing what is hurting people and is likely to continue to hurt people with little to no chance of repenting. There's a very blurry line and a lot of grey area in between. We all enjoyed watching Willow torture and kill Warren because those are fictional characters. But yes, what Willow did is evil. Can she be redeemed? First she has to want to be.

Shelly

Lexi, do you recognize the shrouded man that Spike goes to see? We’ve seen him before and if you can remember, it might be relevant to Spike’s quest.

Garrick Smalley

"Bored now." The two most chilling words in this episode. Only EVIL things can follow from someone as intelligent as Willow going bad.

Stargazer1682

Buffy's line seems to be, are they an active threat? That's kind of her been her metric this whole time with Spike, even up to and including accepting Dawn going to his crypt in this episode; because she deems him harmless to Spike. It's kind of dubious, mostly with how it's been handled with Spike. Pretty much since the end of season 4, the show has strained believability that one of the Scoobies wouldn't have stakes Spike by now. Just his actions in "The Yoko Factor" alone prove that he's not that harmless and should have earned him being staked. It made no sense for Riley to go to the trouble in season 5 of finding a plastic woodgrain stake to impale Spike with - for what reason? For who's benefit, besides the audience? And for that matter, why not just stake him? Spike taking Buffy hostage in season 5 when Dru came to town, and I feel there are many other times it should have happened. Granted, his plot armor is pretty heavy, but the same general reasoning seems to apply elsewhere; at least where Buffy's concerned. And that's probably why she's okay with Warren going to prison, because it amounts to the same thing. If he's in prison, he doesn't pose an active threat. When it comes to humans - Lexi makes a good point about Amy's mom, to a degree. Self-defense is usually a caveat, but it also kind of plays into the active threat issue. In that episode Buffy was protecting herself, Giles and Amy from Catherine, and it was only the rebounding of the spell that was what brought Catherine down. Buffy arguably expect her action to do more than shield them. She also threw the zoo keeper in the Hiena pita when he tried to attack, which was an even stronger course of action that resulted in a human's death that Buffy caused, if technically not by her hands. And then of course there are the knights, which always just gloss over. The superhero "no kill" rule being absolute usually bothers me, because it leaves no room for nuance. For the likes of Superman or Batman, or Buffy, there are generally way may options to subdue a threat without lethal force, than the average person would have in the same circumstances. To ignore those options and go straight to death goes beyond the pale judicious action; and enters a realm of prejudice where people are much more susceptible to fault and their own biases. So my position would be that it shouldn't be off the table, but any and all non-lethal options should be exhausted, up to the point where an innocent life is at stake. That's also where the comics fall short, which is there should be exceptions, but if you're super, that standard has to be super high.

Stargazer1682

This episode features a couple of the many reasons I feel the whole "drug addiction" story was a mistake. First, right at the top of the episode they make it clear that as "clean" as Willow was, and in spite of all the magic stuff being cleared out of the house, Willow doesn't need it. This shit has been inside her the whole time she's been "magic free". But the other thing is, especially with this confrontation between Warren and Willow, is the fact that their stories actually parallel each other A LOT; and the contrast and comparison could have played up more. Obviously Willow is not misogynistic like Warren, but they have a lot more in common. Willow's problem was always her hubris and inability to think she could make a mistake. She has always had to push the boundaries of her knowledge and intelligence. It's arguably why she was an established hacker before the series started, and why she always had to get the best grades in everything, It's why she kept pushing herself in developing her magical skill, because she could never be satisfied with the level she was at. This was even an active point of discussion in "Fear Itself" when Willow was lamenting to Buffy and Oz about hitting a plateau with her magic. All of this would be fine and well, except she felt that she was entitled to use her knowledge and power however she wished; and saw no potential consequences or down side. We see this in the first episode, with her using the "deliver" trick with Cordelia and Harmony; which gets passed off as a joke, mostly because of the context and we know the truth behind the stuff they were saying. Tara and Oz both worried about this. Oz says it in "Fear Itself," and it was the root of Willow's fight with Tara at the end of season 5. But we see it again and again. Giles tries to warn her about doing magic that's too advanced too soon, she does it anyway; he feels there are books she's not ready for and hides them; she figures this out and finds them to read, because she feels entitled to them. If anyone questions this, she becomes very defensives, as if they were questioning her intelligence. Willow's response to Buffy questioning if Malcolm was who he claimed he was in season 1 has shades of her fight with Giles at the start of season 6. She doesn't try any magic she isn't convinced she'll get right; and this boiled down to her reason why Dawn shouldn't try to bring back Joyce; not the ethical implications. Which also contrasts her bringing back Buffy less than 6 months later; because Willow believed SHE could do it. But she hasn't displayed the necessary objectivity to consider that she might screw up or even ask herself, just because I can do something, does that give me the right to do it? This in the face of past failures, where something DID go wrong; her outlook has always been, 'well, I figured out what went wrong that last time, which means nothing will ever go wrong again. But she also sees no reason why it should matter to her what she does, even if she's affecting them. This happens when they were at the Bronze looking for Dawn in "All the Way" this season (the Halloween episode) and she wanted to zap the patrons to another dimension to see if Dawn was there; and Tara tells her it'd be wrong and Willow doesn't understand. And in two subsequent moments that come out of that that really parallels Warren, Willow snaps at Tara that it'd be a good idea to "keep her mouth shut" and then proceeds to use magic to manipulate Tara's memory, altering her state of mind. Not strictly to the degree that Warren altered Katrina's, but where the cerebral dampener wore off on Katrina before Warren could have sex with her in an altered state of mind; the implications of "I'm Under Your Spell" would suggest that Willow and Tara did in fact have sex after Willow mind wiped Tara. And where Warren accidentally killed two people as a result of his anger, Willow's now killed someone in anger *intentionally*...

Janel Davis

🎵 Oh! Look what he made her do...

chelsea

definitely got the vibes that you experienced the 1OO 3x07 live. reshop heda, reshop tara ❤️