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GILES IS NOT DEAD! GILES IS NOT DEAD! GILES IS NOT DEAD! 

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Ron Fehr

"How could you use a poor maiden so" was a line from the tune that Spike was humming while burying the blonde woman. It was the same tune that the man was playing on his harmonica. A personal note. I remember hearing the tune when I was much younger, on a children's show called Friendly Giant.

Shelly

I’m curious if your objection about the Seeing Red scene is because the event happened or that we as an audience had to watch it? There’s no doubt Angelus would’ve r*ped Buffy if he thought it would psychologically torture her, there’s no doubt he did so to Drusilla as a part of his long term plan to torture her until she completely lost her mind. She was a virgin who wanted to commit herself to a nunnery so there’s no doubt that was the first thing Angelus did in his quest to defile her. My point is that vampires without souls are all capable and willing to r*pe.

Audra Foxgrove

I feel like a lot of moments where you didn't understand why someone was doing something were because you spoke over and didn't listen to all the dialog explaining what was happening. Like when you were like "why is Anya just giving up and letting Spike leave?" because when Xander asked her to watch Spike that is exactly what she was asked to do. Watch him, not try to stop him, not let on they suspect anything, and just call Buffy if he leaves. There were more moments like this as well, where I felt like early in the ep you spoke over several important explanatory conversations and missed crucial info that meant that you were confused by something later.

Stargazer1682

Lexi: I'm still not shipping them Me: Thank God! Now if only we could convince you Angel and Cordelia were no good... 🤔

Stargazer1682

There's kind of an interesting, unexplored implication with Spike siring Holden; in that vampire feeding, and especially turning has often had very sexual undertones. I'm not sure we've actually seen Spike feed off a man; and given how the way we see him picking up his victims in this episode, you kind of have to wonder how it went down with Spike and Holden, ostensibly luring him somewhere secluded to turn him. This episode also really shines a light on the inconsistency of how quickly people turn. I'd never really thought about it until recently, but how do so many vampires end up getting buried before they rise again; when burial can take days, sometimes a week or more before a funeral and burial is held? Buffy says Holden was killed two nights prior - that's pretty fucking quick getting him into the ground. I suppose undertakers in Sunnydale know better than to dick around with that. But then we have the basement scene and all these vampires are rising at the same time. Did Spike kill all of them within a one night span? And why hide them in a basement, but leave Holden to be found so he can be buried?

Bud Haven

You pretty much got the premise of the episode from the title. Very impressive. Although maybe a reminder of why reading the titles can be spoilery. Also you mentioned Buffy being able to sense Spike. Buffy has been able to sense Spike and Angel. One time she knew Spike was hiding behind the tree in her front yard, and he told her he was "Out for a walk bitch." lmao And in Pangs she knew Angel was skulking about. As she said in I Will Remember You, ouch. The singer said -I hate playing vampire towns.

Adoreandu

In my head canon, Giles dies of old, old, OLD age, after a long and fulfilling life, surrounded by his children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. That he had with Jenny. On an unrelated note, just realized on this watch a connection between this episode and Buffy vs. Dracula; when Buffy got a taste of Drac's blood it broke his thrall over her, while when Spike got a taste of Buffy's blood it brought back his memories that the Big Bad had blocked. Hm. It's always about blood.

Stargazer1682

To be fair, Holden recognized Spike's name as the one who sired him; so it seems probable the exchanged pleasantries.

Ron Fehr

You didn't see the ax land. Therefore anything is possible. Until there's concrete proof, as you would say, Lexi, Giles is not dead.

Ron Fehr

Buffy mentioned Holden Webster's name to see what Spike's reaction would be, obviously. But there was nothing to show that Spike knew the guy's name. He just basically repeated what she said, that she knew him pre-vampire. Regardless of whether or not Spike remembered him, he may never have known his name in the first place, even if he knew Spike's name.

Clara V.

I cannot overstate how much I don't enjoy this storyline for Spike. The mindcontrolled killer trope is only a few steps up from amnesia in my book, throw that on top of the reclaimed soul and the "apparitions" he's been talking to and everything about him, his personality and his intentions becomes messy to the point where he is barely even a character anymore, he's just whatever the plot wants him to be at any given moment with zero consistency. I hate it.

Markus E.

By the way, the singer in the Bronze was Aimee Mann.

Midnight Crypt Worx

The band at the Bronze said "Man I hate playing at vampire towns." or something like that lol

Rio de Tanana

WTF? Spike is responsible for the women’s deaths. Not Buffy. JFC.