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Buffy 7x13 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-05-31 16:00:04
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this episode gave me whiplash

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Ron Fehr

Giles couldn't drive the Slayerettes because he didn't renew his California driver's license. Buffy casually mentioned it. Also I guess The First can sit down, because it did so in the form of Cassie Newton in Coversations With Dead People.

Judson

Lexi... for people who don't get why us viewers can watch dozens and dozens of reactions to the exact same content, THIS IS WHY! Outstanding reactors like you are invested and astute enough to pick up things that no one has noticed before! Some background: the Buffy showrunners have said in interviews before that they deliberately planned for Giles being The First to be a multi-episode red herring. But ultimately almost no one noticed that they had painstakingly not let Giles touch anything and they went on record saying it wasn't worth the effort. But now, 20 whole years later, sharp and invested fans like you picked it up. Finally allowing us to see a vision the writers had play out like they intended. I know it is just a small part of the story, but it is so special to see for the show I love! :') Thank you so much for bringing the show to new heights with your content, Lexi!

Ron Fehr

With my upbringing, it took me awhile to be comfortable with Willow and Tara's relationship, and now we have Kennedy. I don't know what to think. The scenes with Willow/Warren took quite awhile to get through apparently. Both Alyson Hannigan and Adam Busch had to read all the relevant lines, and once filming was done, the scenes were edited in a way so that the appropriate person would end up on screen.

Stargazer1682

You've never seen Ghostbusters??? I know that's not remotely the point to focus on, but... You HAVE TO watch Ghostbusters (I, II and Afterlife). And please make them reactions. Please.

Stargazer1682

Honestly, I don't like Kennedy. And it has nothing to do with her taking Tara's place with Willow. In fact, very recently I've come to the conclusion that with how everything went down between them in season 6, I don't know that I'd actually be in favor of Willow and Tara getting back together. And yes, I also think it's too quick to pair Willow up with someone again. But more than that, I just find Kennedy to be a spoiled, entitled brat. Right from the moment she got to the Summers house, she's aggressively hitting on Willow, telling her how she "hopes she doesn't hog the covers". And here, she's faking being sick to get out of going on a Potentials/Slayer-line retreat, that's arguably important to their training (it ended up being important for Buffy, if albeit cryptic), during a critical time for getting the Potentials ready for the fight of their lives - all so she can coax Willow to go out on a date. She then proceeds to belittle magic and essentially Willow's powers, calling it crap and referring to what Willow does as "tricks". Like, hello, you living in a fucking world where the supernatural is real! There are vampires, uber vamps and the fucking First Evil, an incorporeal malevolent entity is trying to brutally murder you. But then, just the way this episode plays out underscores the fact that Willow isn't ready to move on. It's written into the story. Yes, she's finally making some progress, but she's only just let go of the blame she had for herself and is still healing and grieving; which in addition to everything else arguably makes her not in the right place to become involved with someone else. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Stargazer1682

I understand the inclination to still predominantly feature Alyson throughout the episode, but I kind of feel like it undermines the premise of the plot of Willow turning into Warren that we continue seeing her as Willow. Plus, I think this could have been a great way of offering Adam Busch some fan redemption. Not *Warren of course, but Adam still gets a lot of hate for playing Warren; and he does a great job at playing such a fucking creep, but in addition to obviously not deserving what scorn some fans have directed at him personally, I think it would have been great to see him really dig into that part more and get to actually play Willow and show that turn of her descent into becoming Warren. It would have been similar to Eliza playing Buffy and Sarah playing Faith; and we get a little bit of it, but by jumping back and forth between Adam and Alyson, Adam never gets to build up any real momentum as Willow; and Alyson largely gets some of the more impactful turns.

Shelly

Hang on, I thought Amy’s mom was the victim in that s1 episode? Can someone remind me what the twist was in which witch was controlling the other?

Stargazer1682

"Now wait a minute—you think I'm evil... if I bring a group of girls on a camping trip and don't touch them?" Best line. Worth the entire setup.

Jontor11

I'm with you Lexi on this one. Love it. Alyson Hannigan is such a great actress and when she cries everybody cries. But fans tend not to like Kennedy at all. I guess they don't want Willow to move on from Tara, and they certainly hate to see Warren again. About the Giles plot, contrary to what others have said, I remember back in the day that there were lots of speculation on the net if Giles was The First or not. I have always thought that the writers knew the dedicated fans would pick up on it.

Raven Dark

I've always loved this episode. I hoped you'd love it, and you did not disappoint. This is why you're one of my favorite reactors, Lexi. And now you don't have to worry about having a heart attack every week over Giles. LMAO

RavenLord

There isn't anything particularly wrong with the character of Kennedy, but for a lot of fans -- including me -- having her and Willow kindle any kind of romance after Tara seems...jarring, I guess is the word. An unpleasant reaction. Kennedy is worldly and somewhat abrasive, whereas Tara was sweet and more sheltered. Tara was motherly and warm; Kennedy is neither of those things, but she *is* kind and caring. It's just a very different feeling to her compassion, and when we inevitably compare her to Tara, Kennedy falls short. In re-watches, I'm more forgiving of Kennedy as a character, but I can't help but wonder if the writers were trying to force it too much. Yes, we all want Willow to have closure and move on, but it should feel more natural. I'm not sure I put it in the right words. It's difficult even now to put how I feel into words. We were *all* relieved about Giles. I think the First can *appear* to sit on a table, or ride in a car, etc., and they did a good job of not having Giles actually touch anyone or anything real.

zerofk

Amy might be an evil bitch, but she's looking good in this episode. I have to say I don't get why Willow goes to the college wicca group. As she herself remarks when getting there: as far as Willow knows they had no knowledge of magic at all so why would she ever think they could help? Overall I like this episode but there are quite a few things that I think could've been done better. I love that Riley's not even in the episode and still gets a jab at Spike. And I like Kennedy. She's no Tara, obviously, but I think she's good for Willow at this point in their lives.

Gaius Frakking Baltar

Never thought I'd see an episode where Lexi is brought to tears by the sight of Warren making out with Kennedy 🙃

Ron Fehr

I love how you had realized episodes ago what Dawn, Xander, Anya and Andrew only found out about in this one. And I remember you trying to come up with reasons why he couldn't be The First. While gathering up the Slayerettes, as you call them, there were definitely certain things, although they happened offscreen, that definitely would have required Giles to touch things (showing his passport for example). Satisfying to be proven right, eh?

Britney

I wasn't sure how you would feel about this episode with the Willow/Kennedy dynamic and kind of bringing Warren back, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. I love this episode as well. I'm glad they didn't just have Willow get with Kennedy and gloss over the whole Tara thing. The ending scene shows how Willow is still grieving Tara and feels guilty for moving on, which I think was important for her character. I also like the decision to flip back and forth between Alyson and Adam instead of just having Adam as Willow the whole time. Some of Willow's lines are both heartbreaking and important character points that I don't think would have had the same impact if it wasn't Alyson who was delivering the lines.

Phoenix Dawn

I guess she was grasping at straws. Like, she knew nobody else, no group type of thing in Sunnydale that could remotely know about any magic at all. So, maybe they were the closest thing she could try.

Ron Fehr

I'm not sure how Amy knew that Kennedy was a potential Slayer, but it wasn't from Willow. When the two first entered the room, Willow stated who she was, and just said "This is Kennedy." She did not go into detail about who Kennedy was.

Robin Davies

Kennedy is wrong to duck training just to date Willow, but apart from that I’m OK with her character. Yes, she’s a bit bossy but she’s up for the fight against evil (unlike Rona the Moaner). It makes sense that it would take someone feisty and pro-active to break down Willow’s understandable qualms about starting a new relationship. Joss Whedon said it was important to not make Willow’s new girlfriend a sort of “Tara Mark 2” and I think he was right.

Teresa Schultz

I’m guessing the situation with Robson was that he passed out before he saw what happened with Giles, but Giles probably either called an ambulance for him or took him to the hospital. If Robson was still out, he wouldn’t have remembered that. Or Giles may have thought Robson was already dead.

Adoreandu

A lot of Buffy fans REALLY dislike Kennedy, as you can probably tell from the comments. I think they are very much in the mindset that Willow shouldn’t be allowed to move on, or at least not yet. Some will say they just don’t like her personality… but I wonder if they would say the same about Faith, who shares a lot of Kennedy’s abrasiveness and pushiness, including in the sexual arena. Anyway, I think this episode is great.

Adoreandu

Also! Did you notice how Amy held herself differently when she dropped the act in front of Kennedy? Her posture, her mannerisms, her inflection straight out of S01E03… she’s turned into her mother!

Shaun Stacy

Watching this when it originally aired, it felt like the Kennedy and Willow relationship kind of came out of nowhere. There wasn't much build-up to it, and it also felt like a cheat because we hadn't really seen Willow (or the gang) mourn Tara up until now. There was the visitation at the grave and the misnomer in Conversations with Dead People, but that's it. Had this episode happened a little bit later in the season, I think it would've been received much better.

Isa

I love that you are one of the very few reactors that actually likes Kennedy and is not hardcore shipping Spuffy. Bless!

Janel Davis

I'm so glad that you love Kennedy. She gets a lot of hate, but I feel like most of it comes from people not being ready to move on from Tara.

Megan

I like Kennedy, more than all of the other potentials. She's the oldest, most mature, and most prepared to fight. I do feel like it was too fast for Willow to move on from Tara. But considering the time this was airing and how pivotal their relationship was for lesbian representation, I think the writers felt they should show Willow still being gay. Like, "See, this wasn't a bury your gays, all gay people end up sad and alone situation, it was just how the plot happened." IMO unnecessary, because on this show the straight relationships never end well, either. But I do think they felt a bit bad about killing half of the best lesbian couple ever. I like that Kennedy is so different from Tara and Oz. And in this ep we learned that she seems much more experienced than Willow in terms of how many girls she has dated. So she possibly isn't really Willow's long-term type, and she may not be aiming for a forever situation anyway. But if she makes Willow happy for now, why not?