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Buffy 7x14 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-06-04 16:00:03
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our favorite demon magnet went on a date again

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Judson

Honestly, the First has been a terrible tactician for some time now. We have seen that Spike is capable of complex deception even after being triggered. He charmed all those women (and Holden Webster) to go home with him so he could kill and sire them. It makes no sense why The First wouldn't just trigger Spike while Buffy is at work or when everyone is asleep and take out the whole house. I don't mind the not killing Dawn/Willow/Anya/Buffy thing here though. I assume it is because it wants to save Buffy for last so new slayer is called like you said, and Dawn, Willow, and Anya don't matter at all. So it was trying to make it as comfortable on Andrew as possible by not making him kill those he might be more reluctant to.

zerofk

Buffy first argues that Spike had a chip when he was killing people for the First - fair. But then she follows that up by saying his soul would stop him from killing people should the First try to control him again. How's that exactly? He already had his soul when he was killing. I'm not sure I'm completely on Giles' side in this, but I do think Buffy's reasoning is questionable, regardless of whether the choice she made is right. The demon who goes on a date with Xander is played by Ashanti - a rather popular singer at the time this came out.

zerofk

When Anya is cleaning Buffy's shirt, she says "... or, it might be pizza." This is a callback to Conversations with Dead People, when Dawn spilled pizza on Buffy's shirt and said "she'll think it's blood."

Ron Fehr

I suppose it's possible that Giles never mentioned his near-death experience because the group had other things to worry about, and since he was okay, he felt that they didn't need to know about it.

Ron Fehr

Perhaps the title of this episode should have been pluralized. 'First Dates'

Ron Fehr

Principal Wood probably buried Jonathan out of respect, to give him a decent burial instead of having him rotting in the school basement.

Raven Dark

This episode has always been mostly meh to me. I don't care for most of it, but that ending reveal is amazing. I still get chills.

Shelly

They got a new actor to play Nikki Woods, the slayer in the 1970’s that Spike killed. Definitely made things confusing as they honestly look nothing alike.

RavenLord

One inconsistency. Wood should have realized that Spike was a vampire the moment he glanced into the mirror to look at him in the backseat. He wouldn't have been able to see Spike's reflection! I had initially thought that's why he then asked Buffy how she and Spike knew each other, but apparently he didn't realize it until Spike's face changed, which doesn't make sense. Unless, I suppose, he was only confirming what he already had realized.

Ron Fehr

One of my favorite parts of the episode occurred when only Xander, Willow and Buffy were in the living room. Willow and Buffy were discussing her upcoming date, when Xander came through the front door. Xander was about to announce his date when Willow blurted out about Buffy's. Xander's response was priceless. "Fine way to steal my thunder."

Ron Fehr

Is it possible that Robin's (principal Wood's) mom became pregnant with him prior to being chosen? She would have no tome for personal relationships once she became the Slayer, not to mention that she would have had to keep that a secret.

Adoreandu

Could you possibly have imagined, earlier this season when Andrew and Jonathan were driving back to Sunnydale, that you would ever say those words, that you’re enjoying Andrew as a character? Unbelievable, isn’t it?

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

I think the idea behind The First telling Andrew to kill only the Potentials was simply one of here-and-now pragmatism. If the plan was to convince Andrew to do it then it's probably an easier sell to only try to get him to hurt them rather than also some of the core Scoobies, especially since it's really only the Potentials that The First is interested in right now. As far as Kennedy/Willow I'm personally of the opinion it's...fine? Like, it definitely feels a little rushed and Kennedy's character isn't exactly deep but those are just the tradeoffs for the shorter end-of-series timetable that we're working with here. If the writers hadn't tried to continue to grow and mature our characters then we'd all be complaining about that instead so it just kinda is what it is. I suspect that Wood burying the body is just as much a school administrator thing as anything else, can't just be leaving dead bodies lying around the basement like that lest folks start asking questions😬😆 And probably best to keep potential source of blood away from the seal in case it starts to get excited again.

Bud Haven

Giles kept his weapons at the school and no one cared. Buffy seems so adult this season.

Ron Fehr

I don't know if I would call it the beginning of a romance between Buffy and principal Wood. It was more accidental, if that's the right word. He just wanted a private place to reveal to her who he really was, and it turned out to be a romantic restaurant.

Ron Fehr

While the First did say that it wasn't time for Spike yet, judging from the ending, it was developing a backup plan to have principal Wood kill him as a last resort.

chelsea

the scene with xander, willow, and buffy almost makes me sad because it’s the first time we’ve seen them being… actual friends since like season 3 😢

Stargazer1682

I honestly kind of agree more with Giles on the Spike issue. There are too many unknowns and too much at risk to have a "hope for the best" attitude. His soul didn't stop him when he was being triggered previously. Was the chip ethically wrong ? I don't know. I struggle to think of a fair comparison, when you account for what Spike is. And if Spike had bothered to use his brain, he would have found plenty of ways to work around the chip; and did to some degree. But, if you're going to just let a vampire walk around free, and have the ability to curb his violent tendencies, that's *probably* a good idea. And even if he has a soul - which doesn't preclude him from killing, and we have no idea if there are circumstances where Spike's soul could be lost; even if there's only a slim chance of the chip protecting the Potentials or the Scoobies, a slim chance is better than no chance without a chip.

Cory James

You asked in the beginning where Giles went after he left Robson and the answer is he went to the Council and stole those files and books right before the First blew it up. Robson told him it was starting and he knew he needed to get that information and had no time to debate with the council about it so he snuck in and stole it. Then he goes and gathers the potentials that the Council knows about (all of them had watchers that are dead now) but I'd love to know who actually told Rona to come to Sunnydale since she said she never had a watcher and I think was found by a seer in England. I didn't really like this episode. They could have done the Wood reveal in a different episode. Xander as a demon magnet feels kind of played out at this point. I liked Andrew reaffirming that he is redeeming himself and isn't swayed that easily anymore. Dawn respected him a little for that and was even gentle when taking the tape off instead of ripping it off like she would have before. I like that, Dawn is always the first to forgive even if she holds the hardest grudges LOL