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pat on

the only good thing about season 4 is now i get to watch other people suffer.

Brendan O'Connor

Lilah was a real one, but the way she died was such a disservice to her character. That can also be argued regarding Cordelia this season…

Jontor11

Yeah, poor Lilah. Bloody hell. I am still blocking that unmentionable yucky cringy thing Cordy did with Connor, but at least now we know Cordy is not really herself.

zerofk

Yay Lilah's back! Damn, Lilah's dead. Angelus is so much more fun than Angel isn't he.

Britney

This is a good episode, but I'm so psyched for your reaction to the next one. I love this whole storyline.

Judson

Thank you for recognising how wrong and awful that Fred/Wesley kiss was. While Gunn isn't perfect and has made his share of mistakes in how he handled Professor Seidel and Fred, the kiss last episode is nowhere near his fault. The responsibility is squarely shared between only Wesley and Fred. I have a lot of empathy for Gunn and how he has clearly been shaped by expectations usually heaped onto people of his gender and race. Everyone, especially Wesley but Angel and Lorne too, seem to have bottomless empathy and support for Fred when it was clear her and Gunn were having issues. But Gunn is just expected to be emotionally strong and carry on in his duties. And this is in part because he puts on that stoic front too. Then, when the kiss happens and Gunn rightfully gets angry about his girlfriend cheating and his friend stabbing him in the back, they all gaslight him that he is partially at fault and treat him like an 'angry black man' who is a ticking time bomb to start abusing Fred. Wesley in particular acts as if Fred is so far out of Gunn's league because, why, she is formally educated like him? As if Gunn isn't a exceptional champion in his own right who grew on the streets, lost his sister, and still remained an unwavering crusader for good!

Ron Fehr

Knowing what happens, I generally don't like watching what's happening, but for the sake of seeing your reactions, I'm going to try to watch them.

Phoenix Dawn

Season 4 is soooo much fun to watch with reactors lol! I loved Laila too, Rip!

Adoreandu

Oh… I think you might have missed what weapon Cordelia used to kill Lilah.

Stargazer1682

The explanation for Angelus remembering is a bit dubious, because it's the same brain; and the demon IS the person or vice versa. A better explanation would be "state dependent memory". The premise that you're more keen to remember something when in the state it originally happened. This could be related to a certain mood or chemical change, like being drunk or given a specific drug. So for example, if something happened when you were drunk, you might not necessarily remember things from when you were drunk, but it's possible for those brain responses to be jogged when you're intoxicated again.

Ron Fehr

Is it possible that Cordy was 'hijacked' from the moment she ascended? She was told that she was needed in the higher realms, but when she got there she was host so bored. So why did she go up in the first place if not for another reason?

Cory James

This reveal makes a rewatch worth it to watch Cordy's evil tells. Like how actually angry she was when she realized that Lilah had gotten a book with a mention of The Beast in it.