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they're gonna end it there?????

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Gaius Frakking Baltar

I love Gunn's reference to "Dark Shadows", which was a late 60's-early 70's gothic soap opera that featured an iconic vampire named Barnabas Collins. Barnabas was consumed by regret and self-loathing over his need to kill for human blood - sound familiar? Here's a short clip of Barnabas in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpcJKm9XAIU

Jontor11

Lexi, I love that you seem to be able to look pass the yuckiness that is Cordy/Connor right now. Most people hate this season because of it. But this Faith/Angelus stuff is just top notch imo. Love this season because of it and it can't get any better than this. Very interesting conclusion that you are not worried about Faith because of the potentials on Buffy. Great logical thinking! I think though that Buffy was ahead a couple of episodes in real time all along. The Buffy season started earlier than Angel.

pat on

so you're spoiled by the watch order... who the hell came up with that.

bing.E

Connor, I think, has always been worried about being a demon. That’s really why he hates Angel. Holtz told him Angel/vampires are evil. He was born of 2 vampire so Holtz taught him to hate himself and that’s why he has such a hard time getting close to Angel because he’d have to accept himself. When Angelus was in the cage and Connor said to him “you’re my real father, Angel is just the face your forced to wear.” I believe that he is talking to himself. He feels his anger, hate, resentment and that inner turmoil must make it hard for him to see the good in himself but he tries to do good things like fight vampires and save people but he probably thinks that a face he’s forcing himself to wear so he doesn’t think he’s evil. I don’t think he’s ever felt love only lies of it (Holtz, Cordy) so that also makes it hard to believe Angel loves him so I think he feel like he’s impossible to love and therfor must be evil. I know he’s annoying but the more I think about it, the more I realize how screwed his head is. I feel bad for the kid, no matter how much I dislike him at times. I just hope we don’t have to see him and Cordy lock lips again 🤢

Ron Fehr

The demon that Faith was beating up in the bar sure sounded like Merl to me. Same actor?

Phoenix Dawn

I'm so glad you manage to have fun despite the Cordy bs. Because aside from that ickiness, the bonkersness of this season is just so great. Makes reactions that much better too!

Stargazer1682

It looks like, from the comments you might have figured it out, but yeah, the episode numbers don't give you an accurate sense of where either series falls in the other's timeline; which is why the watch order this season seems so out of whack.