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omg poor fred!!!!

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Adam Session

Haven't watched yet but to answer your opening question: Firefly ended right before the final stretch for both Buffy and Angel this season. Gina joining this was partly because Firefly wasn't renewed. Don't wanna spoil too much but you may see some other Firefly alums before the end of the Buffyverse.

Jontor11

Reminder Lexi. Don't watch the opening credits in Angel 5x01.

Jontor11

I love Gina Torres. She was fantastic in Alias, Firefly, Suits etc. But here she just creeps me out. It's bonkers to think that Cordy is her mother and Connor her father. That makes Angel her grandfather. And in a way, doesn't it make Drusilla her aunt, and Spike her cousin?

Ron Fehr

When Angel said "mocha", I doubt that it was intended as a racist comment, merely the color of Mother's skin. Everyone's skin is some kind of color, and Angel just went with the one that came to mind.

Chris Carman

Gina Torres does nothing but kick total ass. (Still an underrated star, IMO.) A Skip line that may be missed, in between him handing out insults like candy: that Cordelia's fate would be either death--- "or she'll end up a head of cabbage." This is my favorite storyline/passage in the whole "Angel" series (the middle section of Season 3 being a solid second). OK, so this may not exactly be Aldous Huxley, but I think ya gotta give the writers their full props: they did a damn good job with the classic "Should we be completely horrified by this 'utopia'--- or *not*" question...

Phoenix Dawn

Now, you know that she is a Powers that Be, I can elaborate on a possible theory about the Darla scene in the previous episode. I bet this is not it, but it is fun to think Darla apparition actually to be the First, because this Power is coming to Earth to eliminate all evil. It is fun to think that way. But, it probably some other Powers trying to intervene instead really.

zerofk

It looks like things are ramping up. She's here. Jasmine. And all the shiny happy people holding hands. 'Cause every little thing gonna be all right. And I can't believe Fred's evil.

Ron Fehr

Pylea was nothing compared to what's happening to Fred now.

Adoreandu

Poor Fred. Losing one's religion is hard.

Ron Fehr

Probably an obvious statement, but all will be revealed why Fred can now see Jasmine as she really is.

Joe

The show takes place around Y2K and this plot line always makes me imagine Jasmine is the second member of the powers to try and directly intervene on earth and that about 2000 years ago another one managed to manifest in Bethlehem using a similar set of events. The other power also had a special mother and farther and was protected by an Angel and three wise men. Items it touched became relics and the spell of mass hysteria was broken in a similar way. We all know how this story ends. The show even gives her a first name beginning with the letter J no second name lol

Stargazer1682

I call BS on her being a PTB. She lacks credibility, what with all the lies and murder, etc., to bring about her own body.