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Buffy 7x19 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-07-16 16:00:02
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umm yikes

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chelsea

it’s been 20 years. sometimes i still wake up screaming “THEY KICKED HER OUT OF HER OWN FUCKING HOUSE?!!!”

Stargazer1682

Ah, yes, everyone's favorite episode of the entire Buffyverse. No doubt everything that happens here will make you happy. 😏

Stargazer1682

Wow, less than 20 seconds into the reaction and you've already chosen violence.

Stargazer1682

The point Anya was making about staking the Turok-Han was that their sternum was extra hard to pierce with a stake. So when Buffy tried initially, it just didn't go in deep enough to pierce its heart.

Jontor11

Yeah, many fans don't like this...at all. Thinking that kicking Buffy out was a bit too much. But we could see this coming. Buffy was really a bit too impulsive at the vineyard last episode, and it didn't end well. I expected this kind of storyline sooner or later during the whole show, I guess it came later...

Scott Margeson

Yes, yes they did. And it was not justified. It was in this episode I do wish Evil Willow *had* turned Dawn back into a little energy ball.

Stargazer1682

Giles' windmills comment towards the end is a reference to the story of Don Quixote. The story of an old man, a farmer I believe, named Alonzo Quijana in the 15th century - he's well read, fantasizes about the days of knights and dragons. But then he starts to actually believing he IS a knight and calls himself Don Quioxte; and convinces his neighbor Sancho Panza to go on quest with his across the countryside. At one point he chases headlong after windmills, believing them to be giants. And when he gets banged up for his troubles and now sees they're windmills, he rationalizes that a sorcerer must have transformed the giants into windmills to deny him glory. It's become something of a literary phrase that when someone is set on a pointless or deluded effort, they are "tilting at" or "chasing windmills".

Chris Carman

Blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo: one of the cops who shows up early on after Willow completes her Jedi mind trick--- is played by Justin Shilton, who also played the vile Billy Blim on Angel 3...

Ron Fehr

When Faith mentions that she had Xander first, she was referring to the season 3 episode The Zeppo of course.

Ron Fehr

My favorite part about Anya's lecture was Andrew writing down 'break-up sex.'

cosmotron

There are…a number of reasons why what happens in this episode doesn’t work for me. But mostly, a lot of the plot points and character choices haven’t felt like they really match up, at least in my opinion. Especially because it’s not exactly the first time we have a villain that is a lot physically stronger. Look at Glory, or Adam. Sure Caleb is tough but they’ve found ways to defeat physically strong enemies many times. And I don’t get why everyone is acting like Buffy is “obsessed”, when the guy has only been around for like an episode. I think basically all the Scoobies behave badly here. But I really don’t like the way Anya has been written in particular. If we hadn’t gotten her “Selfless” episode maybe it wouldn’t bother me so much, but basically anything with her this season has still been all about Xander or about her being bitter. It feels very one note. And Giles…the writing for him has been a big mess this season, imo. I don’t know, the whole thing has always felt very contrived to me.

Shelly

I really appreciate that you are critical of Buffy even through your love of her. A lot of reactors are so blind in their love and loyalty for a Buffy that they get rageful against anyone who questions her, and that limits their ability to empathize other characters and limits their ability to understand the story that’s trying to be told. Here’s what I’d say about “kicking her out of the house”: Buffy specifically said she refuses to sit by and watch them all go against her ideas, demonstrating that she would create conflict with everyone while they’re trying to figure out what to do without her. Buffy’s point that they all need to be together in their actions is true and she’s demonstrating that she would make that impossible if she stayed and criticized everything. They can’t be a team without her if Buffy stayed in the house. I’m not saying I agree with the group I DON’T but we have to try and understand the choices of the writers in pushing her out to follow the plot better.

Stargazer1682

Quick question, you said the next time you see us you'll be watching the last three episodes of Buffy - you mean Angel, right? That should be the correct watch order.

Shelly

One more food for thought item: Dawn’s fear of Buffy turning against her is mildly justified: Buffy told Giles she was now willing to sacrifice Dawn if it meant saving the world. Dawn is watching her coldness towards her closest friend Xander, not shedding a tear for his plight and not taking ownership of her part in it, of course she’s thinking “will she even care if I get hurt or killed?” Unlike past Dawn, she’s not throwing a tantrum, she’s standing up for what she thinks is right in a calm and grown up way. Again I DON’T AGREE WITH HER but it makes sense.

HootieDean

I love Buffy, she is my favorite character but I do think she was in the wrong. Caleb baited her into a trap last episode which everyone said it was a trap but Buffy is going to Buffy and as a result a few potentials lost their lives, some got wounded and Xander lost an eye. And then to ask them to do it all over again 24 hours later after you had just taken another beating Caleb let you limp away from? Yes, hit the skids. I don't look at it so much as kicking her out as forcing her to take a moment and recalibrate, minus the actually kicking her out part. But your real friends/family should call you out and you should at least consider what they're saying, but Buffy wasn't really hearing it. It was a confrontation long coming and captivating television for sure! Can't wait for your reaction to the remainder of the season!

Steve Quinn

I think it is so well built up over most of this season, Giles, Wood, Anya all placed in a position where they are bitter about Buffy not letting them do things the way they want. Throw in a bitter and angry Xander, and a Willow grieving for him, plus a Dawn feeling unimportant and useless and you have a powder keg waiting to explode But of all these people, the only one not motivated by selfish issues (however badly she is dealing with them on an emotional level) is Buffy.

Stargazer1682

I hate this episode and pretty much everyone in it. Everyone sucks, although on a scale of things, Buffy is on the lower end of the asshole spectrum, in comparison to everyone else. Buffy has been stressed the fuck out this whole season; she's pushed to the edge and beyond. As it is, she's already been suffering from PTSD since pretty much season 1, and it's been downhill from there. But in this season she has literally been forced to go days on end without any sleep; probably getting very little sleep most nights since the Potentials have shown up. There have been constant setbacks, attacks, She keeps losing people; people she trusts keep screwing her over. The biggest blow yet comes with the arrival of Caleb, and not even the injuries inflicted on the Potentials, because that's nothing new, but the serious and permanent injury inflicted on Xander. She can't bring herself to stop and grieve. But then there's everyone else. Giles has really been off his game this season. His perspective on Spike wasn't necessarily wrong, but he seemed to act with a bias that would have made more sense if it were Angel, given that past history. But he completely betrays Buffy's trust, then acts like he should have the moral high ground for it. It's very out of character for him and it only seems to serve the purpose of further isolating Buffy from her support system. Willow and Xander are understandable to a point, given Xander's injury. It's nothing short of a miracle that he hasn't gotten hurt like this sooner. After all this time, he hasn't exactly gotten better at fighting and has been the lucky one to date. But let's face it, Wesley could have kicked his ass now before Xander was injured. Regardless, the danger has taken on a new sense of realness, which has given them pause; yet the war rages on. Robin's all over the place. Last episode he was mostly towing the line. He wasn't happy with how things played out with Spike or Buffy's response, but he's accepted it; and was advocating for Buffy to take the next step and show some of the girls real combat - which she did and it blew up in her face. This episode he's more confrontational with Buffy, quick to back Faith after a single conversation with her, Maybe because he sees Faith as a way of getting back at Buffy. Faith makes some salient points, and is probably on the low end of the asshole scale, second only to Buffy. She can't help but butt heads with Buffy, but otherwise genuinely wanted to stay out of it; and I think Buffy mostly recognized that. Dawn is just... what the fuck? The writers didn't seem to have anything better for her to do. Her reaction feels more like season 6 Dawn; and I hate that. They did such a great job building her character at the start of season 7; only to have her go backwards. Not 100% out of the blue, but still. Can you imagine how fucking epic it would have been if Dawn was the only person that stood up for her? And then she tells her how, "I had a vision of mom saying that Buffy wouldn't choose me. I don't know if that's true or not, and I don't care. Because I choose her." Kennedy and Ronna.... 😒 The winner of the top asshole award has to be Anya. God, she fucking pisses me off this episode. The "you're not special, you're just lucky" speech is so fucking rich coming from Anya, the 1000 year old woman who was given the powers of a god, because an evil genie-demon really liked the way she got back at her philandering ex-boyfriend that one time; and she spent the next millennia racking up a bigger body count than Angelus, Spike, Dru and Darla combined. 🙄 Like, give me a fucking break. In what way was Buffy being made a Slayer "lucky"?? She gets super powers, sure; sounds cool. Not as cool as the near-omnipotent, reality bending powers Anya had, but at least she never had to worry about opening a peanut butter jar - save that one time Giles drugged her for a week... And you know, the fine print accompanying those powers is Buffy being at the center of a constant and literal battle for her life; and the hope that the next time she dies the third time will be the charm and she'll actually get to stay dead. Because, oh yeah Anya, this whole mess with the First is your fault; and Xander's and Willow's. Did we forget that?

zerofk

I think you're the first reactor I've seen having fun during the scene where everyone is against Buffy. Most get angry, even if they understand both sides. A lot of people get hung up on Anya's "you didn't earn it." I think she's right though. Buffy got these powers without earning them. And I fully agree that she has since proven her worth, and that the original choice was a good one. But again, that original choice was indeed just luck, not merit. Anya shouldn't have focused on just the first luck though.

Judson

Another gem of a reaction, Lexi! You're the only reactor who agreed Buffy was wrong and was on the others' side at the end. Personally, I think the 'fair' stance is something in the middle. Has Buffy earned the right to have their unconditional trust through years of sacrifice and her personal strength of character? Absolutely yes! But, in this particular instance, was Buffy wrong such that her call would have led to another defeat and even more pointless deaths? Also absolutely yes! My only conclusion is, with such an impossible dilemma and no real message or lesson to be fathomed from the greyness, they should never had done this story to begin with!

Simon Mathew

Random Fact: The band playing at the Bronze this episode is Nerf Herder, which plays the Buffy theme song

Stargazer1682

I agree there's an odd disconnect between the scene with Clem suggesting a mass exodus of Sunnydale, and the scene at the lively Bronze. I actually kind of forgot the scene with Clem happened before the Bronze scene. I feel like people leaving Sunnydale was randomly tacked onto this episode, and I don't like it. It hasn't been earned. After all this time and everything that's happened in Sunnydale, what has actually happened this season to send people running out of town en mass? We know what's been happening to the Scoobies and the Potentials, but there has been no indication of anything on the scale of the city that has gone beyond the pale of the last 7 years, much less the more than a century that Sunnydale's been around. If something was going to have that kind of affect on the citizen, it should have been a much bigger deal, front and center within the story.

Cheyenne

This episode drives me insane, and I think it encapsulates why I don't like the potentials storyline. They have just shown up over the past half season, so they don't really know how Buffy is as a leader, or all the things she's done, but they make demands of her and question her judgment like she doesn't know anything. And Faith shows up at the same time that Buffy is becoming harder and more closed off, and they immediately see Faith as the "fun parent", but Faith didn't ask to be put in charge or be the face of the mutiny And the only way I can continue to like Anya is if I choose to believe that that speech wasn't her, it was just someone who looks like her. It's so wildly out of nowhere for Anya to criticize Buffy for being "lucky" and her leadership being unearned when Anya has been around for the last however many years and seen that Buffy being chosen as the slayer wasn't a gift or luck, it pretty much caused her nothing but pain and suffering. And if Anya didn't think she earned leadership, why did Anya follow her as the leader through everything with Glory, which arguably felt just as dire (especially in "Spiral"). And this from one of the four people who pulled Buffy out of heaven, forced her back into her role as the Slayer, and set in motion the whole disaster with the First. I do think a conversation could have been had about how Buffy's leadership style isn't working in this instance, and how scared and alone everyone is feeling in this moment, but I hate that it turned into ganging up on Buffy, kicking her out of the house, and being pleased that she's gone. Even if this episode sets up some of my favorite scenes in the future, I can't stand it

Andy

These fucks, always doubt Buffy, yet she's always right. I seem to remember Buffy thinking her college roommate was a demon and they took it upon themselves to throw a net on her, yet she was right. You either fall in line or get the hell out of Sunnydale.

Ron Fehr

I think Anya's little speech was something that Buffy needed to hear. Buffy became the Slayer not because she deserved ro have the title, but simply because she was 'chosen' (kind of like a raffle). Maybe Buffy already realized this, but she needed reminding once in awhile.

Robin Davies

I think you nailed all the salient points of the betrayal scene better than any other reactor I’ve seen. But I’m surprised you actually enjoyed the scene. It sends many fans into a killing rage! It still makes me angrier than the Connorelia scenes in Angel and, though it is justified to some degree, it gets my vote as the second worst scene in the entire series (the worst, of course, is Giles praising the Bay City Rollers at the end of The Dark Age!) It's hard to decide who’s the most despicable: Wood (“Forget that it was me who urged you to test the Potentials. Now Faith “has the floor” because I want to get in her pants.”), Xander (Yeah, my inspiring speech about loyalty in the last episode was just hot air”), Anya (calling Buffy “lucky” in any context after all she’s been through is positively obscene), Giles (perhaps his backstabbing is not entirely surprising given his previous form – signing Buffy’s death warrant in the early parts of Helpless, abandoning her in Season 6…) or Dawn (“GetoutgetoutGETOUT!” Buffy should have let the brat jump off the tower…) I guess the writers were following Joss’ theory that the more Buffy suffers, the better the drama, and all that was left to throw at her was betrayal by her friends. But I think it was a bad idea to make us hate many of our beloved characters so close to the end of the series, and it’s one of several reasons why I think Season 7 is the weakest season. No wonder Buffy called herself Joan in Tabula Rasa. She really must be a saint to put up with this.

chelsea

anya’s comment makes me SO unbelievably angry. “you didn’t earn it.” she didn’t earn it?! she died TWICE to save the world. she killed the person she loved most in the world, she gave up the possibility for a childhood, teenagehood, any kind of successful future. she’s not luckier because she has super strength, being the slayer isn’t lucky - they’ve been showing us that since the first episode. it’s a horrific burden. at 14 years old she was told there was a very very small chance that she’d make it to 20. she’s had to deal with the responsibility of the literal entire world on her shoulders for nearly a decade and never, not once, misused the power she was given. not a single other person on the show can say that. she’s always come through and the one ONE time that it doesn’t look good they stop trusting her. after EVERYTHING. argh! this storyline makes me so angry.

Chris

Ain’t it just so human? Doubt. Bravado? Fear? Ego? It makes sense in the worst ways we do. Better and worse; truth and dare. Not or??

Chris

Ok, one more. Damn! Your insight is on point. Spoilers. Well done.

Ron Fehr

It is not for thee. It is for her alone to wield.

Megan

This is my least favorite episode of the whole show, followed by Dead Man's Party (I believe that is the other one when the scoobies gang up on Buffy for no reason.) I am always on Buffy's side, and while the first time it happened (them all simultaneously being jerks to her) they hadn't been through as much together, by this point in their lives it's just so wildly unrealistic that all I can think about is how bad the writing is. I know why they did it, but they could have achieved similar results without Anya's ridiculous speech and Dawn kicking her out (would literally NEVER happen, I can't even think of it as canon, she could have just walked out without Dawn saying anything, after just some of the people in the room said what they said, could have even said she needed to go think about what they said and clear her head.) Just the majority of the potentials wanting Faith in charge, plus maybe a couple of the scoobies kindly saying they thought she needed a break because she was being reckless would have been enough. Didn't have to be so dramatic. Unfortunately, both Buffy s7 and Angel s4 got away from the writers at some points. I feel bad for people who think it's realistic for friends and family who are that close to have a scene like this. I bet Tara would have stood up for Buffy. 😡

Ron Fehr

If you think about it, the only people who really know Buffy are the ones who have known her the longest, Xander, Willow, Giles, and Dawn. So the comments by the others are excusable up to a point. It's the original group that I have trouble understanding in this instance. Some people here seem, to me, to be too quick to judge anyone who goes against Buffy, and don't always try to look at the situation from all sides.

Pauline Robertson

Giles when they all have dates: enough children this is serious we don't have time for this etc. Giles when Faith suggests taking the girls out for some fun: yeah go for it!?

Pauline Robertson

I never got the Faith love. If someone had done all the stuff that Faith had done to me, then saunters back in like hey yo guys? yeah no don't come near me with your redemption crap lol I wondered why Faith never says "sorry about your mom" oh the one you knocked out and restrained and used as bait? or " I just remind Anya I had Xander first" yeah leave out the attempted rape and almost choking him to death. but it's cool cause I'm five by five and I smoke and drink and haven't had the responsibility for anyone but me. (eye roll)

TheHuntsman

Alright so super unpopular opinion here but Buffy kind of got what she deserved. When I first watched this season I was just as pissed off but after rewatching the series I totally see where everybody is coming from. Buffy has been extremely reckless this season. From the way she handled the potentials to her obsession with Spike she has been a mess. Putting myself in the potential shoes I would have not felt confident in her leadership either. She couldn't even bother to learn their names. Plus everybody got pissed off at Anya even though she said the exact same thing that Buffy said in conversations with dead people. Buffy has a bad superiority complex. She's not even the current Slayer (...she's just the better Slayer). I love Buffy but sometimes people need a reality check and I feel like that's exactly what you needed. The only part I still don't like about this whole thing is how everybody ganged up on her. Loved the reaction!

Jesse baldo

If I was buff I would have started crying when dawn said that, the pain would take a serious talk later on that she could do that to me/her , I would have said (While crying) How can you say that, I love You SO MUCH that I wouldn't let you sacrafice yourself, I died for you! I went to heaven and was ripped out for you! I suffered SO MUCH AND WOULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN IN A HEARTBEAT! And you want to kick me out of my own house, WHERE I PROVIDE , I pay the bills, I take care of it , do you know how hard that is alone! Do you love me the same way! Because right now , i may seem like i can handle it dawn but I cant handle THIS BETRAYAL, I love you even now but IT HURTS More than you know AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT!

Cory James

Everyone uses this moment to hate on Dawn but tbh I have a theory on that. The hellmouth energy is going wild and EVERYONE is feeling it this episode. People are leaving, running, acting crazy, releasing steam at the Bronze and getting wild. They made it a point the whole episode about how people were acting aggressively not like themselves. I think part of their attitude was hellmouth responsible but also they ALL told her no and she still led them into a trap and got numerous people hurt and some dead because she wanted to make a statement. Statement made. She wanted to lead them right back in with nothing to back her up and the only way to stop her from dragging them with her was to let her go. Were they wrong in the end? Yes, of course. But they couldn't know that and asking all these new girls to have faith in someone they've known for maybe 3 months is A LOT. Xander and Willow are hurt emotionally by Xander's injury and Buffy blowing them off because of her own guilt. Should they have kicked Buffy out? No. But she said "I can't stay here and watch you not follow everything I say" and the response was "well then you can't stay here". I don't think that should have come from Dawn though, tbh. She could have said "this is happening with or without you but we're not doing what you want." and that would have been way more acceptable. Something that never really occurred to me before but like...where are Amanda's parents? She lives in Sunnydale. And she's been living at Buffy's house for WEEKS now. Do they think she is on an extended sleepover with Dawn? Do they know about the Slayers and Bringers and danger? Amanda was still going to school at one point LOL. I literally hate every single Dawn/Xander interaction. gag.