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Angel 4x22 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-07-30 16:00:03
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a bittersweet ending

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PetraPlata

The guy Fred was with was the guy Buffy was talking to in Conversations with dead people:)

PetraPlata

Oh and also, I suggest not watching 5x1 of Angel yet. Not sure if you filmed reactions for the last 3 episodes of Buffy yet. :)

Stargazer1682

"They knew what they were getting into." "Her stomach?!" I love Andy's delivery on that line. Every single time.

Stargazer1682

I've seen the scene with Connor and the Cop on the roof many times, and I never really thought about it, but based on how the Cop is talking, I think it does make sense that the effects of the loss of Jasmine's influence is so total, that they don't remember being under her thrall; at least most of them. But many do know they've lost or forgotten something that meant a lot to them. I do feel kind of sad for Connor in that scene, because there is an earnestness about how he wants to help this person. He's being like Angel, he's talking him down, telling him he has reasons to live. The trigger here, which I find disheartening, is that the Cop has what Connor longs for - family, love; people to go home to, who would miss him if he died. He's been struggling with that for so long. For sure ever since coming back from Quor'toth and maybe even before; possibly why he tried so hard to leave Quor'toth. Now that I think about it, and sort of diving a bit into the weeds - it suddenly makes sense why Connor ultimately accepted "Connor" as his name, after growing up as "Steven" for 18-23 years; or why he would now call Angel dad, if on some level he knew what a bastard Holtz was and actively resented him and the way he raised him. He probably never got the love and affection he longed for from Holtz, which can instill some very toxic traits in people. But that would also motivate him to try and leave, not just to get away from Holtz, but find his real father and see if he truly was the monster that Holtz made him out to be. Like, could he truly be worst than Holtz, if Holtz thought he was a monster, or was it just another layer of Holtz's manipulation. Connor wanted to know. And just as he starts bonding with Angel, his abuser turns back up; because even Quor'toth can't kill the son of a bitch, and finding a way out isn't enough for Connor to escape him. And for whatever deep-seated resentment Connor may have had, he also can't escape the influence he has over him - which isn't uncommon with abuse victims. Holtz then stages his death to look like Angel did it, kind of proving to Connor that Holtz was right about Angel; and from there he's just totally fucked. There is no way out for him from the all the shit Hotlz dumped on him. And all of that is held in contrast to that ending, and Angel checking on Connor in his new life; where he's given the family and love he craved; and the memories to go with it. As tough as it was for Angel, he knew it was what Connor needed. And that man just keeps sacrificing for him, which itself breaks my heart. He's willing to let Holtz take him to hell if it means Connor lives. Here again he's making a similar choice, to give Connor up in the hopes he'll have a better chance at life.

Ariel17

As problematic as this season can be (and that’s all been discussed plenty) I actually really enjoy this season and a major part of it is that last scene with Angel and Connor before they fight. The acting between David Boreanaz (heartbreaking) and Vincent Kartheiser (also heartbreaking) is some of the best of this show I think. But more beautifully tragic is how the very last scene of this season perfectly bookends with the very first scene of the season: a family sitting together at the dinner table. Even the parallel of the toast (“To family.”) where in ep1 it’s Wesley who says it and now in the finale it’s Connor. It’s what Angel and Connor both needed and wanted with all their hearts. And this has been sprinkled throughout this season through Connor's character, like when he got so affected by witnessing the aftermath of the Svear family massacre, and in this episode where he gets so mad at that cop who was gonna kill himself and leave his family behind. In the end they were both fighting for family but unfortunately Angel came to realize that in order to give that to Connor he couldn’t be the father he needed. Ultimately, the same theme we’ve seen before in Buffy and even earlier in this season of Angel is that love is sacrifice. And he literally had to kill his son in order to have him essentially be reborn to a new family and happy life. Also the ending music in this episode......so beautiful too, on par with the Buffy season 5 finale (interestingly titled ‘Sacrifice’).

Ariel17

Someone else already mentioned why the actor who played Knox here is so familiar to you, but you may also recognize the actress playing Lacey Shepherd (the woman guide for Gunn). That actress also was in The Last of Us, playing Marlene (also the the VA for Marlene in the video games as well).

Brendan O'Connor

In Season 2 Holland Manners appeared to Angel in the elevator to “The Home Office” after he had died, he still had the bite marks from Darla. Lilah is in that same situation now, talking to Holland is how he knew that it was her.

Ariel17

Angel was explaining to the others that Lilah's contract with W&H extends beyond death, because he had already seen this with Holland Manners, who explained it to him back in season 2.

Stargazer1682

"Couldn't they just the power for good?" That is the puzzle, isn't it? There are reasons we have sayings like, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely," "With great power, comes great responsibility," and "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." If Wolfram and Hart are offering them the keys to their Kingdom as it were, one might assume it's not out of any sense of altruism, but because they have an ulterior motive. Just look at the Watcher's Council. They no doubt started out... well meaning... You know, for a bunch of mystical guys forcing the power of the Slayer on to a woman without her consent. But the main objective of the Council over time was to fight evil; yet their practices in the modern age, before the destruction, was often self-serving, abusing their power and authority.

Brendan O'Connor

In the second episode of this season Angel visits the Demigoddess of Lost Things, she said she’d love to keep him in her domain, but knew he had so much more to lose. That foreshadowed this season for Angel. Cordelia, his soul (temporarily), and then Connor became too far gone to be saved. He gave him a new life, saving him with a lie, and lost him completely.

Stargazer1682

I love Lexi's reaction to the new conduit. It feels so on brand; and I could totally see her playing with a panther like it was a regular house cat.

Adoreandu

And with that, "the Father will kill the Son" is fulfilled. Prophecies are tricky things, aren't they?

Stargazer1682

The scene with Wesley burning Lilah's contract and him finding it in the draw again was so beautifully done. "The flames (of hell, presumably) wouldn't be eternal if they consumed anything." - Just, damn.

Stargazer1682

A quick side note, now that the season's done - Charisma was, I believe, close to full term by the end of the season; which prompted most of her scenes being just her lying down, unconscious. Purportedly, they were going to have Cordelia wake up and be the one to kill Jasmine, instead of Connor, but allegedly she wasn't up for it by that point in production. It's hard to parse what she genuinely could or could not do, and how much of it was Joss being a petty asshole. Like, putting Cordelia in a coma, so that what few appearances she had had no dialogue was probably Joss being a dick. Her not being the to kill Jasmine may have been legitimate. I can't remember the exact timeline, but I think her son was born right around that time or shortly after the season wrapped; and I can't remember whether she was said to be on bed rest prior to giving birth. Fun fact, the son she was pregnant with during this season is now 20.

zerofk

Lilah+Wesley 4eva! I kind of think Angel overstepped his bounds with the "executive decision". The others would've chosen the same, but he didn't ask. IMO it goes against the message of free will being so important. And it seems unnecessary - from an in-universe point of view it makes little sense that W&H would demand an "all or nothing" deal, and from a showrunner's perspective as I mentioned the others already basically chose.

Chris Carman

Lexi flashback! From the previous wrap-up: "Maybe he just needs like a quiet, chill life, somewhere where he can actually find peace and not be so angry." :)

Ron Fehr

A note to whoever else is also going to be watching season 5 episode 1 for the first time, like Lexi. I suggest that these people cover their eyes when the intro starts. Wish I could explain why.

Phoenix Dawn

That ending actually makes me cry every time!

Gaius Frakking Baltar

Can't really blame Connor for going nuts - if I lost the gorgeous Gina Torres from my life, I might go a little crazy too! Btw, in a 2016 interview she commented on her role in Angel: "I think the scariest monsters are the quiet ones, the ones that are sitting in front of you and are very seductive. I put my voice into that honey place… There was just this calm grace about her delicious evilness. I love Jasmine for that." Gina also discussed her reunion with Nathan Fillion on an episode of Castle: https://whedonsworld.com/tvline-gina-torres-memories-from-the-set/

Andy

The amount of emotional torture Angel has endured in his life and he's still going is impressive.

Freefall

As tragic as that ending was. That was one of the better ones for Connor. Though now everyone else can’t seem to remember him. Wondering how that affects there characters? A big part of Wesley’s arc was Connor. So if he can’t remember kidnapping him as a baby, how is that gonna change him?

Jontor11

Love this season finale. Yeah, The Cordy/Connor storyline didn't really work this season, and I think especially Connor was badly written. But in this episode we got a glimpse of some father/son bonding that would have been great to explore. They ended it perfectly though. Giving Connor a real life and family was the best way to exit him. But poor Angel, again he is the only one who knows, and that last scene is just heartbreaking. Welcome season 5 - the best season of Angel imo!!

Cait

i know how much everyone hates Connor, but i really think he is probably, if not the most, tragic character in the entire buffyverse. the little snippits we got of his childhood in a hell dimension with holtz only seem to touch the surface of his trauma. the idea that just erasing his memories and giving him memories of a happy family is enough to help him, is just further proof of how much of his experiences in life shaped the characteristics he has that everyone hates.

Jesse baldo

The person you recognized, the scientist talking to Fred Was the vampire that had a long conversation with buffy in the cemetary , he basically was counseling buffy during a hard time i think in S6 And then buffy says 'i have to kill you now' or something, they talk in the moselium about high school and all her life issues, its a weird turn for a second because she just talks with this vampire about her problems and then they fight and she stakes him. its the same Actor being re-used