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Angel 5x1 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-08-16 16:00:06
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2026-06
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i'm still in shock

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BoxOfficeJack

AW YEAH I was waiting for this premiere reaction! :)

HeiKira

Finally, my favorite season of Angel

x_Rhi_x

"Blondie bear?" XD

Stargazer1682

I don't think the exclusion of Connor from event is an inherent cause for discontinuity. Obviously it would be if it's just a case of "Select Connor ALL, hit delete" and that's it. But given that Connor's been given a new life, with presumably memories of the life and family he now has and none of the life he had, the same would have to apply the hole he left in events. Whether we're told how those holes are filled... so to speak - it doesn't necessarily matter, unless the writers decide to there's an interesting story to tell us. Because otherwise they're just retreading previous seasons for the sake of spelling it out for us.

Stargazer1682

Joseph Kennedy was JFK's father, who made his fortune (at least in part) as a bootlegger during the US prohibition.

Stargazer1682

Here we have the other shoe dropping in regards to the assholery of Joss Whedon and his pettiness with Charisma. Not only did they drop her from season 5, as I recall Charisma said they didn't bother telling her and she only learned about it from a media report.

Stargazer1682

Poor Emilio Estevez. Fame is fleeting. He's Charlie Sheen's brother, son of Martin Sheen (both of whom's real last name is Estevez). Emilio is an actor in his own right, had a fair amount of popularity in the 80s and early 90s. Checkout "The Mighty Ducks" sometime.

HeiKira

Long story short, the would only get the green light for season 5 IF James Marsters was in it.

Stargazer1682

Unfortunately they announced James going to Angel before Buffy even ended, so it completely undermined his ending on Buffy for a lot of us. They did not however go into this season knowing it would be their last season. Angel's renewal usually came after each season had ended, but season 5 was performing very well in the ratings, and was still one of the WB's top shows. Even the programming director who ultimately cancelled it has since said that that decision was a mistake. But what happened was, Joss pushed for an early renewal decision, so the writers could start planning season 6 and laying the some of the framework for that during season 5. It's hard to say how hard he pushed, but knowing what we know about Joss, it's not out of the question to think he got into a pissing match with the network and lost; especially since if it was as simply as just asking for them to consider an early renewal, that wouldn't necessarily result in cancellation. They would just would just decline to give an answer until their usual time. For a program exec to say, if I have to answer NOW, then the answer's no, you have to think Joss really laid in hard and maybe even pissed him off.

Jontor11

LOVED your reaction Lexi!! We got Harmony! Yay! We got Spike! Yay! Angel and Spike, two vampires with a soul - and they hate each other! There is a podcast on YT with James Marsters and Michael Rosenbaum (Lex Luthor from Smallville) where they discuss working with Joss Whedon. DON'T watch it yet, you might be spoiled, so wait until after the show is done. The WB network were in deep financial troubles and there were budget cuts all around. They were going to cancel Angel if they didn't vamp up the show. After a few suggestions from Joss what they could do, the network fell for the idea of having Spike in it. Unfortunately it meant if James was in it, Charisma had to go. James felt really bad about it and talked to Charisma, and she was fine and they remained friends. We can discuss this more when the show is over. Lexi, I am SO glad that you weren't spoiled for this episode. Unfortunately we all were back in the day because WB started advertising Spike in Angel even BEFORE the Buffy finale, so we really never mourned him at all...

Ron Fehr

The Eve and the apple scene was in reference to the original sin story in the Bible. Eve was tempted by a serpent to eat some fruit (not necessarily an apple) from a forbidden tree.

Ian O'Donnell

I love the accidental side-effect of Harmony's addition - 20 years later, reactors who were warned not to watch the credits drop their guard for the final scene.

Jontor11

You have reached ritual sacrifice. For Ghost, press 1, or say Ghost... To sacrifice a loved one, or a pet, press the # key. LOL

AdventuressJamie

I’m with you there, Season 4 is my fave season (especially cause of the Angelus arch)but I’m so excited to see what you think of Season 5! Also, didn’t even think about the effects of Connor not being in the show…I’m just like ‘Thank god he’s gone…’ 👀

zerofk

After the Buffy finale we all hoped we were rid of that annoying Spike guy, but no. I guess Chekhov's gun was an envelope this time around. It is fun to see Harmony again of course. She kinda saved the day, telling Angel about that helicopter. I love Fred going off on her staff. And Gunn is a lawyer now? Pretty cool. Too bad Cordelia is no longer in the title sequence. But at least she got a good sendoff, not like she just went evil, fell into a coma and ... Wait ...

DarkstarX84

Welcome to Season 5, I hope that you enjoy your journey. Also, we'll have to talk about you liking Eve out the gate. I'll let you decide going forward with her character and who knows, maybe you'll be begging for the days of Justine

Adoreandu

Hypothetical alternate reality without Connor: keep all the same events from S2, but Darla didn't get pregnant. She comes back in S3, not pregnant, to try to turn or kill Angel. Holtz wakes up from his rock sleep thing, kills Darla, Angel kills Holtz (in self-defense or whatever). Justine tries to kill Angel, fails, leaves LA. Cordelia still became part demon and ascended at the end of the season, but Angel was not in the bottom of the ocean. Wesley didn't betray Angel, didn't get his throat cut, didn't get excluded from Angel Investigations. The gang spends the summer between S3 and S4 searching for Cordy, with Angel taking the place of Connor in Fred and Gunn's memories, and Fred, Gunn, and Angel taking the place of Wesley's crew in Wesley's memories. In S4, Cordy shows up back from heaven without her memories, she and Angel get together (instead of she and Connor) maybe during the spell Lorne found to get Cordy's memories back that made them all teens again, causing Angel to lose his soul - we get the Angelus arc earlier in the season - and she gets pregnant with Angel's child due to the life Angel won in that challenge that he went through to try to save Darla. Jasmine is born leaving Cordy in a coma, controls everyone except Angel, he breaks her spell on Fred, Gunn, Wesley, and Lorne using his own blood, then travels to another dimension to find her Name, yadda yadda. Angel and Jasmine fight, he punches her through the head the way Connor did, because he's her father in this version. There's no hostage situation at the mall at all. It's not perfect, but I think it would be plausible enough.

Britney

Your reaction to Spike coming back was the greatest thing ever. I'm sure there are some people who think bringing him back undermines his death in Buffy, but Spike had no idea that he would somehow be resurrected. At the end of the day, he still sacrificed himself to save the world, which is a heroic thing to do. Like you, I would have loved to see Willow as well. I think she has great chemistry with the Angel cast. I'll gladly take Spike though. His dynamic with Angel is always fun. And yeah, Charisma/Cordelia was done really dirty.

Ron Fehr

Gunn's comment about Demi breaking up with Emilio was referring to Demi Moore and Emilio Estevez.

Ron Fehr

At the end of the episode, Eve does make mention that all Gunn's certifications are forged, but that he has full knowledge of the law, pretty much like you assumed.

Rachelle G

I am SO HYPED for season 5, let's goooooo!

Adam Session

The opening one shot in this is really fun once you notice it

Megan

Season 4 is my least favorite season (of the entire Buffyverse) due to their terrible, gross writing and treatment of Charisma. I think you will find season 4 less pleasant on rewatches knowing what you now know about the character of Cordelia already being gone for good at that point. Completely unacceptable treatment of the actress and the character. I am just pissed off the whole season, except when Faith, Willow, Lilah, or Jasmine is on my screen. I do enjoy season 5 more, but I don't entirely consider it canon Angel since they changed soo much with the setting, Spike, and most importantly Cordelia. It sort of feels like a spinoff. Anyway, it's a good watch, but when I rewatch Angel I often just stop sometime in season 3 or very early 4 (gotta get Angel up off the ocean floor, and laugh at Justine's bucket). Then we skip to seeing Angel in the end of Buffy, we assume all is well with Angel Investigations and Cordy in LA (but nothing romantic is going on with her and her dear platonic friend Angel), Spike stays dead, and sometime in the future Angel will be eating cookies.😏 I do understand why people like season 5, some great and fun stuff! But the show Angel was really only fully itself for 3 seasons.

Cool Engines

I Just realized something after watching these episodes for years. the correlation between Gunn and Lindsey. Did they do the same thing with Lindsey that they did to Gunn? magically put loads of law knowledge into his brain. :0