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Angel 5x17 - full reaction (Patreon)

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2023-12-06 17:00:07
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2026-06
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sweet suburban hell

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Ron Fehr

As I recall, Wes wasn't mad at Gunn for inadvertently killing Fred. What he didn't like was that Gunn knew that he was responsible for her pain, and had failed to tell anyone when it mattered. I don't know if Gunn would have said anything had Wes not discovered it first.

Jontor11

There is so many Yays in this episode. Lindsay is back! Adam Baldwin! Ilyria and Harmony in the intro. You can tell that after the cancellation during last episode's production, the show is starting to get into wrapping up mode.

Stargazer1682

Technically, Angel did try to undo Doyle's death. The very next episode started out with Angel with the Oracles, trying to get them turn back the day again or do anything to bring him back, but they wouldn't. To play devil's advocate, one potential difference between Fred and Cordelia, is that team Angel had something close to closure with Cordelia showing back up in "You're Welcome". They might not have known it was goodbye, as opposed to getting their hopes up that they were getting her back, but there's perhaps some *small comfort having one last normal (ish) day with her; and Angel saw for himself that she had made her peace with what was coming next. It may not necessarily been the ideal path she wanted, but had accepted she was moving on. And there's the rub. People will fight tooth and nail to cling to life; especially for those we love, regardless of whether they should, if they're not ready to let go. It kind of folds into the denial part of grief. It's why people should have living wills if they don't want to be kept on life support or have what they need in place if they want to be an organ donor, because families are going to be in the right state of mind to make those decisions in the moments they need to be made. Strangely, it seems to be the people who believe the hardest in an afterlife who fight the hardest against death; at least in real life.

zerofk

As much as I love Fred, I think I prefer Illyria. She's just so interesting. Amy Acker's acting is a large part of that. I disagree about destroying Fred's soul being unnecessary. Yes others have died without destroying their soul, but not with their bodies still walking around. I think it would be very hard to justify not putting Fred's soul back into her body as long as it's still moving. The thing with Eve is a bit of an anticlimax. All that drama, and then she's goes "don't bother", and she's fine. Lorne is not having the best time, is he?

Stargazer1682

"Oh, no, she's a blonde! It's Angel's weakness!" Spike's too....

Stargazer1682

You haven't seen Terminator??? You need to watch Terminator. And Terminator 2. And react to them, please....

Stargazer1682

"An S&M demon? Maybe I should go to hell." Love perverted Lexi.

Stargazer1682

You crying "Fred" while Lorne sees to Wesley's wounds is pretty much me watching most reactors during the introductions to some of these characters. "Joyce!" "Doyle!" "Tara!" "Jenny!"

Adam Session

To answer your question about Harmony getting added to the credits: they knew they were getting cancelled and series regulars get royalties.

Captain Hammer

That S&M demon comment and expression afterwards was priceless

Captain Hammer

I imagine on top of it being hard to cope with Fred being gone with Illyria around, he's also worried that she's still a potentially extremely dangerous wildcard.

Cory James

This is one of my favorite episodes and concepts tbh. Because a lot of people feel like this except for the obvious torture demon in the basement lol. They go through their days which should be perfect becoming even more agitated and overwhelmed with this dread that something inevitably bad is coming as always. And that's hell...but with added actual torture LOL. Then, surprise, complacency is evil and heroes aren't accepting of the world as it is. It's always been a "if you want these resources, you have to play our game and keep people happy" and obviously that was never going to save the world. I remember in one of the first episodes of the season someone said Angel could take their client list and start hacking away and lol why would he not have taken that option? It's cause they already had him with the things they could do for him and what he owed to get it. I agree with an above commentator and you both actually. Fred's body is still walking around so it's always possible to stuff a soul back inside it. Illyria doesn't have a soul, she's a demon god. But also they could have said something like "Illyria made the shell too hard for magic/souls to penetrate and Fred can't be put back inside." "Handsome man, saved me from the monsters." will never not hurt my heart. The look on Spike's face as Angel told him the story...he really liked Fred too and it made him sad. He doesn't even mock Angel and that's what makes it more real. "Beady little rat snake" Spike, ever the poet. I think Anya talked about the world with no shrimp because Tara was interested and then said she was allergic LOL but it stands to reason that if there is a world with no shrimp then there has to be a world of only shrimp. "Hey lady, where'd you get that? Oh, it's America..." Too real, Lexi. LOL "With an unstable human who drinks too much whiskey and calls me a smurf." I just love Illyria so much.

Ron Fehr

The way it was explained regarding Lindsay, the place where Gunn is now is not actually Hell. It's just a holding cell, a penalty box. You called it Hell during your wrap-up comments, and I don't blame you. I don't see the difference between them.

Brendan O'Connor

Dollhouse 2x01 Topher : “You’re Human.” Saunders: “Don’t Flatter Yourself.” Angel 5x17 Illyria: “I Reek of Humanity!” Wesley: “Don’t Flatter Yourself.”

Adoreandu

"How did you guys move past [Fred's death]?" IDK about the others, but I haven't.