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HAHO 1x6 (Patreon)

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gamerx

Has anyone noticed that if you die in shows like this you go to the Christian afterlife but if you die in the Christian afterlife you go to the atheist afterlife

Kalla

This episode I have an issue with because it comes off as Charlie is and was correct without any real pushback. The fact that Adam is the one who's arguing on heaven's behalf makes it worse when they could have used certain religious figures even God (who is the owner of the entire universal and spiritual structure that all these sentient lifeforms live in) who can give a better argument. On top of that the fact that humans aren't used for this court case is absurd when they are the ones who will eventually go to hell after they die. Like how would Charlie argue in defense of a genocidal tyrant or a child predator that they should be given a second chance when they had multiple chances in life to not do what they did. The characters we follow don't ever talk about the lives they lived before they ended up in hell. Which should've been the focus of the courtcase or the show in general. Charlie focusing on the current lives of the sinners in her hotel rather than the past lives of them makes this episode lack in my honest opinion. I understand that this is fiction. However it has to make sense especially if your using religious world view of the great universal structure of Heaven and Hell and everything in between. To me it seems like Viv didn't actually want to have a nuanced discussion on the topic of salvation but instead wanted to just make her musical world out of it. Sorry for the rant I've just been waiting to say this since episode 1.

KrakenKing

I really hope that God is more formerly acknowledged or shown in later seasons. His judgement is essentially incomprehensible to the human mind (so we sort of form our beliefs of what they are around it) and I think it’d be nice to at least hear his thoughts. There’s actually a really good fan series on YouTube called ‘The Big G’ about exactly this that I highly recommend you guys check out, at least in your own time.

gamerx

There is a theory that Adam never ate the fruit with the knowledge of good or evil because we're only shown Lilith and Eve eating it. And that's why he sucks so much but also got into heaven

xman t

One little detail that I love that tends to go unnoticed is how angel dust came into the hotel openly complaining about work. It shows that he's no longer being fake with everyone and putting up that "im fine and happy" facade. He's honest and open with everyone now

Katsuki BakuGOAT

When Kenny says let's get it, does anyone else always say Let's go with montana out loud cause I do

Katsuki BakuGOAT

Kenny I can't with that camping vlog and the death note remix music lol we love an organized king 🤣

Fries
>>151636191

I think you're being a bit disingenuous, I don't think charlie is rehabilitating "genocidal maniacs" or "child predators" not that they'd even seek redemption to begin with. the rules for ending up in hell aren't strict, i think that even a bad person can and will change with help if they look for it, pretty sure charlie just wants to give people the opportunity to change so that they don't have to suffer, a drug addict who made bad decisions shouldn't suffer the same fate as hitler. She was also advocating for actual rules to be enforced for souls to transfer between heaven and hell, that way if a soul properly belongs in heaven or hell it will stay there, someone like adam would not belong in heaven if that were enforced

Katsuki BakuGOAT

PLEASE react to the addict music video with angel and cherri!

Fries
>>151638253

unfortunately i doubt they're gonna introduce god at all, when referring to lucifers banishment they said it was by the "elders in heaven" (which makes no sense) so that tells me that these "elders in heaven" take up the position of god (since it was originally god who banished lucifer)

Kayleigh McRae

As someone who grew up in a twisted form of Christianity. This show does a good job showing how ridiculous some of these "divine judgements" will be. I find most people have a problem with it because they are thinking too black in white on what is considered sinful. When I was in the church it was preached that you should forgive a man foe everything he does because it all comes from the woman why he sinned. Remember a sin is as simple as talking back to your abusive parents. Because a commandment of "Honor thy mother and father" This show is pointing out with how Heaven is running. What heaven would be like in if every sin was taken literally and there was no filter. Charlie is naive in thinking all souls can change. But she's looking at it more from the lense that everyone is capable of sinning. Making mistakes and owning up to those mistakes. And just because you sin doesn't mean you deserve hell. If a truly evil person was given a chance to change they wouldn't ever take it. So yes anyone who wishes for redemption should be allowed. True good is giving everyone a chance to change not putting a label on someone as "no good".

KrakenKing
>>151638253

The Seraphims are the highest of elders, however. Also, God had been name dropped a few times in-universe, more so in Helluva Boss, but still.

Kalla
>>151636191

Here's the thing though Charlie doesn't specify what type of sinners deserve a second chance. She always proclaim that ALL sinners deserves a second chance at redemption. This would have been a interesting conflict for Charlie but again there isn't any character that brings a pushback argument against her stance and her childish methods of rehabilitation. If they had her go to earth and interact with humans to better understand what her father said about what humans have done with free will then there would be pushback but no. There could have been a human angel would disagrees with Charlie and uses themselves as an example and ask why didn't the sinners do the same as them. It's Charlie is right without pushback. I can only hope that Visipop doesn't continue this trend with Charlie if they have her confront whoever the elders of heaven in her story.

Odd Thomas
>>151636191

I understand your position but I would argue that their lives after they die is an important aspect. We see that even though Adam is in heaven his behavior after his human death has been deplorable and murderous for an eternity. Why focus on the previous lives of the people when the seraphim don’t even know how people get into heaven? They couldn’t say that a person being good in life for sure means that they will go to heaven as this doesn’t exist in the same mythos of modern day religion. I will say Heavens argument was weak and ushered past most of Charlie’s argument allowing for objections and biased cross examination. I think what we’re supposed to take away from this is the overly empathetic standpoint of Charlie and the lack thereof from the heavenly audience. Charlie doesn’t mention their lives before they died because to her it doesn’t matter as we’ve seen she is naive and always ready to forgive anyone even if they openly try to harm or go against her ambition.

smilingsophia

OMG also thank you for answering my question!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Amity Harris

Another thing to keep in mind is the thing the good place brought up of a simpler time. Like there was no illicit substances to be gluttonous with and if your were slothful back then you died. The point is it’s just easier to sin in the modern era than it was way back when Adam was alive.

Braden Jackson

Dang Kenny if the world goes to crap I’m heading your way your prepared for everything

Amity Harris

I think it’s not that Adam, or Sera is better or worse I think they just hold different kinds of evil. As it’s presented Sera let Adam do the extermination but didn’t take joy in it where Adam says very bluntly that he and the exterminators enjoy killing demons. That being said I feel like Sera is keeping a lot of secrets and I can totally see a world where she is revealed to take great pleasure in the destruction. IDK just a thought.

Relliar

One difference between Vaggie and most sinners is that the Exterminations are the only perma-deaths. Sins on Earth don't destroy an immortal soul and death in Hell is only temporary while your body pulls itself back together. Vaggie has killed thousands of sinners and in the only way that's really comparable to murder in our world: they're gone and they're not coming back.

LuxLoser

I mean, Charlie has a right to be angry beyond the lie in itself. Imagine she's the princess of a Jewish nation and she just found out her girlfriend is a (repentant) SS Officer who killed thousands.

Kalla
>>151636191

Sorry for my second long rant. You just pointed out what I believe to be an issue that leans into the side of Charlie was always in the right. The fact that the Seraphim who, I can only presume have existed before humanity and sin, doesn't know how one enters heaven doesn't make sense. Especially when they can identify what sinful behavior is and we see it isn't present in heaven with the exception being Adam. You also mentioned that Charlie doesn't care to know what the past lives how these sinners were because she is a forgiving person. There is a problem with that when she is set on this goal of helping sinners ascend. How can she help when she doesn't know how one ascends to heaven and what the life story of the sinners of hell were that could answer what sins they committed (that aren't in line with heaven's morals) that got them sent there in the first place? It's like going to see a therapist but they don't care about what you've gone through prior to what lead you to seeking therapeutic aid. I can't help but look at hellva boss which exists in the same universe as Hazbin Hotel and shake my head. How am i supposed to side with Charlie when there's multiple scenes of mass killing, drugs, perversion, discrimination, cannibals, etc, all across hell from top to bottom. The fact that this wasn't brought up in the courtcase either is a big missed opportunity for something to pushback on Charlie's stance and provide some nuanced conflict. Also I don't like how quick Emma was to set hop onto Charlie's side when it's clear she doesn't understand anything and her reasoning being that Angel checked the boxes of Adam's list which shouldn't be the standard knowing the type of person he's been shown to be. Maybe if they had paced their story properly then this might have been done. However, knowing that each episode is almost an hour long makes me thinks otherwise. Maybe season 2 may answer some important questions for the plot but I'm not to confident it will.

Ferret

Being fair to St. Peter, I'm guessing that his whole song and dance is just the standard greeting for anyone coming in. Which, to be fair, if I died and went to Heaven I'd be entirely okay my introduction was Darren Criss singing.

Hakeem
>>151635493

@Kalla Ok I think I get what they’re saying. So breakdown basically the Christian afterlife is humans will continue to live in the kingdom of God after death if they’re good ofc. While the wicked are sent to down to hell. The Athiest afterlife is that they believe that after a human dies that’s it your soul is gone for good. So I guess what they’re saying is that once a soul is sent to either heaven or hell and that soul ends up dying that soul ceases to exist. In other words the end of an individuals entire existence. If that makes sense. Correct me if I’m wrong😅

Eric Brown
>>151636191

Kalla, I think you are way overthinking everything. Why does it matter what someone did in their life on Earth? The purpose of the hotel is to offer those a chance to be redeemed who want to be redeemed. That's why Charlie again and again points out they can't force anyone to stay there. There are plenty of people in Hell who don't want to be redeemed, who thrive in the environment. Think Cherry Bomb or the Vees or Alastor. But, at the same time, there are those in Hell who are only there because they made some mistakes in their life and/or are a victim of circumstance, think Angel Dust, or who thought they were supposed to be bad, but are actually good deep down, like Sir Pentious, and they just needed that little push to get them going. I think you are equating the Hell of this universe to the Christian Hell, which is eternal torment for everyone. That's not what this is. For those who are good, but not good enough to get into Heaven, this Hell is eternal torment. For those who thrive on sinning though, this is their Heaven. They don't want to leave or be redeemed. Charlie is focusing on the former, to give them a chance, however slim, to get them out of a bad situation into a better one. You are falling into the fallacy of what is true for the whole must be true for the parts. "How am i supposed to side with Charlie when there's multiple scenes of mass killing, drugs, perversion, discrimination, cannibals, etc, all across hell from top to bottom. " You side with her because this doesn't represent everyone in Hell. It only represents the most visible and high level view of what Hell is, but that doesn't apply to everyone there. Even when parts of it do represent people, like Angel, that doesn't define their whole character. Angel is addicted to drugs, not because he enjoys them, but because it's a way to escape the pain of his existence. He isn't like Valentino, who would do the same drugs because he relishes the feeling it gives him. For Val, it's not an escape, it's a destination. Angel is doing drugs to cope with his existence, which is why Charlie offering him an out, a way to escape, is so important. All of this is the overarching purpose of this show, which is about bringing hope to a hopeless situation. It's about rising up and overcoming seemingly insurmountable obstacles to achieve something everyone thinks is impossible. Charlie is pushing back against a system that is unfair and unjust because it's the right thing to do.

Suplee215

I go back and forth on how truthful Serra is being. On one hand, it feels like manipulation and lies. On the other, I think they got no idea how people get selected to hell or heaven or how an angel falls and so she's just trying to look after what she can and not worry about what ifs. which is it's own problem. The big question is how bad was the uprising that led to her decision. Was it a scapegoat situation just looking for an excuse? Or was it actually a big problem? My theory is there was a war between heaven and hell that everyone is now trying to avoid. So the uprising made them think it's happening again.

Suplee215
>>151665227

Just to be clear the decision she came to is still messed up. The question should be why are they uprising? Because hell is terrible. How do we fix this? Make hell better. I see no reason why hell can't be improved. I do think her motivation is different than Adam's though. Adam wants to have fun killing people. Serra might actually think this is tbe only way because there's no alternative she knows about.

Chelly

Goddamn, You Didn’t Know is so great… Emily and Lute are the highlights for me for sure

Big K

Guys, those random YouTube comments are right. You really shouldn’t be cursing

Big K

Okay bro like I know she’s the worst but how did I forget that Lute’s voice hit so damn hard?

Lucky

Ther actually is no evidence soul's can be redeemed that was brought. Simply that souls can be better. No one knows what redemption actually is so there's no actual case for it

Ashlee

The song at the end of this ep is one of my favs from the show!! Loved this reaction 🔥

Eric Justice

The idea that Vaggie was an angel isn’t the issue for Charlie and I don’t even know that her history of killing demons would be the worst. It’s very much a combo of Vaggie hiding it from Charlie and the fact that Adam and Lute revealed it in the manner in which they did.

Saiyasha

I think it is really important that most of Charlies reaction to the revelation about Vagie is more about _how_ it was delievered. YOu guys are absolutely right, if vaggie had gone to her and told her oint blank, than it probably wouldn't have been a problem. It was the fact that Vaggie lied and didn't trust Charlie enough to tell her that really hurt her.

RawrSaur

Ya'll need to do a reaction video to the music video "Addict". It's performed by Angel Dust and Cherry Bomb, and it's another bop naturally =D

Braden Jackson

I feel like to is completely ok for Charlie to be mad she dated a mass murderer if the people she is trying to redeem and it’s not just Cuase she’s a murderer it is Cuase she lied about who she was and the only reason she found out was because Adam told her which just makes it worse it doesn’t make her a hypocrite for her reaction

David L
>>151647884

It wouldn't even have to be a big secret she is keeping. Sera could be totally honest in saying she doesn't enjoy it but later on if pushed onto the defensive about it she could start coping and talking about how they deserved it and it was a good thing etc etc.

David L
>>151665227

I wonder how much of it was just Roman style, launch a preemptive war of "defense". Like, I know she says to Em that there were uprisings but I feel like there is at least some reason to doubt that (not even in a she's lying way, just that she is misinformed). Maybe the threat is very old or just we've just not seen much of it, but I also imagine it could easily be a: sinners outnumber winners 10:1 and then just casual fearmongering builds from there.

Suplee215
>>151665227

Possibly that as well. We know that powerful demons like sins exist. It's unclear what the history is. I believe the wad was so bad that both sides wanted it to end. And it led to lucifer making the deal that kept hellborn free of extermination and possibly even led to the exterminations

David L

My take on Adam is he could/does represent two facets. One is like said, what being a "good person" means is largely arbitrary without context and it is perfectly reasonable he could be a total ass and still have been considered a good person by the standards of his day and thus get into heaven. Second is that, if souls in hell have the ability to change it's reasonable to assume souls in heaven can too. Since we've seen improvement happen it's more than possible Adam has just gotten nastier over time.

delaney trent

Amazing episode!! Im catching up as I prepare for Hurricane Milton in Orlando!! Hunkering down and watching you two makes me less nervous thank you so much Kenny and Montana 💕

Karmac

ok lute is a bad guy but come on lute is a baddie

Cube Pylum

Also keep in mind those were souls she killed, people killing people in the living world just means they go to heaven or hell, all the people Vaggie killed are just gone forever

DizzIsLiving
>>151909374

I know she's very homophobic, but damn... maybe she should stop having an undercut if she doesn't want anyone to be gay for her.

Nigel Douglas

To be fair, not sure, but i was under the asusmption that if an Exorcist kills you YOURE GONE. everyone else sinned against living people and then they kill other ppl in Hell that will regenerate, but as far as i know, the people Vaggie killed are gone for good

Big K
>>151909374

Bro I feel a little villainous sayin it because she gets off to genocide, but damn she’s hot

Nabs.shani
>>152010108

Yes, also the same if hellborn die so the non sinners and upper demons / morningstars and kings of hell.

Cassandra Nightshade

I'm curious if you guys have found out Alastor's human life story by now. Cause it's a doozy. He's still my favourite character but i wonder if his story would change anything for you guys in your perception of him.